#intl
2018-09-25
pellaeon
13:30:25
Hi all, @patcon is a fellow of OCF funded by Taiwan Foundation for Democracy to study the Taiwanese civic tech community, he wishes to gain access to detailed information of g0v grant projects here https://grants.g0v.tw/api/v2/dashboards/2018a/csv
Can anyone with admin access fetch the CSV for him? or if it's sensitive, point him somewhere where he can find similar information? @besslee
Can anyone with admin access fetch the CSV for him? or if it's sensitive, point him somewhere where he can find similar information? @besslee
patcon
2018-09-25 23:04:43
Actually, nevermind. I created my own dashboard to confirm export fields, and it seems its a CSV of _users_, not projects π
And so it's not helpful to my research. Apologies, but thanks anyhow @pellaeon!
And so it's not helpful to my research. Apologies, but thanks anyhow @pellaeon!
patcon
2018-09-25 23:17:53
and perfect, on further investigation, seems I can get what I need from https://grants.g0v.tw/api/v2/projects
chihao
2018-09-30 16:16:13
@patcon There have been countless (?) attempts to centralize and count g0v projects, including one in 2015 for an art exhibition. Imo itβs always a partial count. π
bess
13:30:30
@besslee has joined the channel
chihao
15:15:14
Are you licensing your research finding with a open license? @patcon
- π―3
patcon
2018-09-25 22:55:55
i regret that i have but one π― to give
patcon
2018-09-25 22:57:27
TFD doesn't have a culture of openness, but they seem very receptive to doing things differently. I'm aspiring to be as open as possible, as early as possible π
chihao
2018-09-30 16:11:33
@patcon Totally missed your reply. π for being as open as possible as early as possible! β default open + release early & often π I have similar impression wrt TFD, perhaps there could be a dialogue between them, you as researcher and the g0v community at large?
patcon
2018-09-30 16:58:30
I'm really excited about that prospect! I'm down to conspire if you are, but don't feel obligated :)
chihao
2018-10-03 07:33:57
@patcon lol letβs talk about this then! Will you be attending the upcoming g0v Summit?
patcon
2018-10-03 14:22:52
yep, I'm going! My approach, which will mostly be explained in the interview consent form I'm sketching out, will take inspiration from the sort of thinking discussed here: https://github.com/g0vNYC/hub/issues/3
(I tend to refer to this as "humane transparency". It's intended to reflect on full transparency as a "gift" to the commons. These gifts can be seen a virtue to offer in a certain culture (like g0v), but they need not be "all-or-nothing", and they respect the sensibilities of the people from whom the gift is given. People have many reasons not to offer the highest-fidelity transcript into the commons (safety, honesty, personal, etc.), and so a humane and empathic protocol around transparency should take that into consideration imho :slightly_smiling_face:
(I tend to refer to this as "humane transparency". It's intended to reflect on full transparency as a "gift" to the commons. These gifts can be seen a virtue to offer in a certain culture (like g0v), but they need not be "all-or-nothing", and they respect the sensibilities of the people from whom the gift is given. People have many reasons not to offer the highest-fidelity transcript into the commons (safety, honesty, personal, etc.), and so a humane and empathic protocol around transparency should take that into consideration imho :slightly_smiling_face:
patcon
2018-10-03 14:24:43
these considerations come from my experiences working not just in radically transparent open source communities, but also from working with persons who've experienced trauma or abuse, for whom transparency can feel antagonistic to their participation
patcon
22:55:55
i regret that i have but one π― to give
patcon
22:57:27
TFD doesn't have a culture of openness, but they seem very receptive to doing things differently. I'm aspiring to be as open as possible, as early as possible π
patcon
23:04:43
Actually, nevermind. I created my own dashboard to confirm export fields, and it seems its a CSV of _users_, not projects π
And so it's not helpful to my research. Apologies, but thanks anyhow @pellaeon!
And so it's not helpful to my research. Apologies, but thanks anyhow @pellaeon!
patcon
23:17:53
and perfect, on further investigation, seems I can get what I need from https://grants.g0v.tw/api/v2/projects
2018-09-30
chihao
16:11:33
@patcon Totally missed your reply. π for being as open as possible as early as possible! β default open + release early & often π I have similar impression wrt TFD, perhaps there could be a dialogue between them, you as researcher and the g0v community at large?
chihao
16:16:13
@patcon There have been countless (?) attempts to centralize and count g0v projects, including one in 2015 for an art exhibition. Imo itβs always a partial count. π
patcon
16:58:30
I'm really excited about that prospect! I'm down to conspire if you are, but don't feel obligated :)