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Month: 2020-08

2020-08-01

irvin 00:08:10
明天有來攤位的話可以來找我拿 common voice 貼紙跟一堆其他紀念品!(憑 #rand0m 灌水換獎)
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Allen 10:54:08
雖然大會沒有做直播 但是我們 COSCUP TR411 還是有做直播
https://youtu.be/uV6SvYzN4fA

YouTube

開放文化與攝影社群——Lightbox攝影圖書室的經驗

HuangFu 22:43:20
熱烈歡迎社群自己做直播!!!
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tmonk 13:42:07
大多時候我們所感受到的是惶恐不安的感覺,多於苦痛本身。也就是說,我們嚐到的苦難多半來自於空想,多於現實本身。
tmonk 13:42:09
塞內卡, 哲學家 4 BC - AD 65
ichieh 19:07:10
P_20200801_190650.jpg
ichieh 19:07:13
這場地好像很適合辦活動
tmonk 19:15:53
這是哪裡呢?
ichieh 19:47:13
4am Station
115台北市南港區玉成街25巷2號
02 2651 6193
https://maps.app.goo.gl/2fTFT36SEc7UKE6G6
Ted Chien 23:55:20
螢幕好像有點小?

社交距離….
benjamin 23:43:21
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2020-08-02

2020-08-03

kiang 21:45:32
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Gossiping/M.1596458101.A.119.html

感覺 FixTW 好兇
tmonk 22:11:20
FixTW 很急著營利的感覺。
pichuchen 23:51:45
感覺是不夠圓滑... 看起來是老闆親上火線回應才會這麼歡樂wwwww
pichuchen 23:54:21
不過這平台的客群我猜也不是那種「沒關係啦」「忍一下就好了」的人
irvin 17:39:06
如果我招喚 @lukas 近來這一串會不會很壞
lukas 17:40:03
XD
tmonk 17:40:11
來不及了,召:troll: 喚儀式已經啟動了。
irvin 17:40:41
居然慢了一步 😵
lukas 17:57:34
xD 剛好反了,我就是因為拖太久了才會各種慘劇,如果我有看到攻略的話,會改成在第一天就要開始營利
tmonk 18:11:03
如果是我做 Fixtw 我會訂每個月的營收上限,只要這個月捐款有達標,下個月服務就會繼續下去。(不過我不知道這方法實際上有沒有搞頭就是了。)
irvin 18:23:04
我是覺得禁止分身的規則合理,但規則跟用字可以稍微調一下
tmonk 18:25:41
我覺得既然他可以查到是分身是同一個身份證,那應該可以在程式上阻擋,而不只是寫在條文上。
lukas 21:01:33
這些構想都很好,實施上會有些細節要確認:


- 營收上限要訂多少好呢?例如說,和自己在公司上班的相同薪資嗎?或是單純只看現金支出呢?

- 捐款是放一個金流連結在網站上,並等人自由捐款嗎? 如果不是的話,該怎麼收費呢?

- 如果幾個月沒達標就關閉服務了嗎?


阻擋分身的方法,目前沒有一個有效的好方法,例如說,我沒有權限驗證健保卡,肯定也沒這個技術成本

如果單純依賴身分證號碼不能重複,而且是靠程式來判斷的方法,的確會略為減少分身;

但是實務上會想破解的人,既然他連 FB 的多重註冊防護都能越過,就不太會被身份證號這招擋下來,因為它可以找別人的身分證號

另外一個問題是,既然是認身份證號,那我能不能代替別人送件,(也就是使用別人的身份證號和額度 )
irvin 00:43:34
我認為平鋪直敘寫明「使用別人的身分證字號,涉及偽造文書及令使公務員登載不實罪。如經查獲,本網站將會中止你的使用權限,並配合檢調機關搜查」這樣,然後實際上還是只直接擋重複身分證就好。真的不用在這種防弊上花太多時間。
gugod 14:03:38
他們家 ToS 連結怎麼沒有出現在 https://fixtw.com/ 首頁上 😛
irvin 18:20:31
其實我也沒找到 ptt 說的那段話,打算下次送件時再一路找找
lukas 14:01:51
tos 就在第一次註冊或是每次編輯聯絡資訊時,上面有一段超大 jumbotron 的地方,最後一行就是了 ,那邊是必經之路

2020-08-04

lukas 17:39:14
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2020-08-05

cai 13:56:28
https://www.inside.com.tw/article/20574-community-contribution-canceled youtube的社群協力字幕服務要結束了
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kiang 22:17:43
https://www.facebook.com/linshufen.fans/posts/3170466126322403

看看那些被消失的資料(嘆)

facebook.com

林淑芬

從「公司法」修法的涉賄案件與大家分享, 其實這些年來立法院的運作模式已經跟以前非常不一樣。 相對於立法院過去的主流是 特定利益團體遊說立法委員可以直接為財團和利益團體代言, 且大剌剌的提案修法,直接為既得利益者護航毫不避諱, 這些年來,隨著人民對立法院的要求和問責而來的改革, 最重要的是「公開透明化」, 委員會的發言有錄音錄影, 立委的提案在網路上都可以查詢得到,...

2020-08-06

2020-08-07

k6-2 14:56:52
20200805中天新聞 政治獻金「大金主」曝光 解密金流「驚天內幕」
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlP2R_rbayo&fbclid=IwAR2EdlqpMNFNcCIDKlCYQUsVl-CwMb0wn6y0FvRxv5JY6WlIaVI2OHql2E0&app=desktop

是 kiang 哥耶 ~ 太狂了 XD

側寫這件事情,的贊助商們 ,我在想他們的初心是:

「蛋要分開放不同顏色的都要,這樣才均勻,樣本分散,比較不好被抽樣到 」

結果還是被統計集群回來 (笑

YouTube

20200805中天新聞 政治獻金「大金主」曝光 解密金流「驚天內幕」

kiang 15:14:47
kiang 啦 XD
kiang 15:21:24
對資料研究感興趣的朋友可以參考這兩篇

* 我們終於可以直接下載政治獻金的會計報告書明細!
https://www.facebook.com/k.olc.tw/photos/a.373836309456505/1568117656695025/

* 6800 萬能不能買下台灣?
https://www.facebook.com/k.olc.tw/photos/a.373836309456505/1570487469791377/
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Jo Chuang 15:43:26
@josephch405 has joined the channel
kiang 20:54:43
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1596804440.A.746.html

誠實的 backdoor

Ptt 批踢踢實業坊

[新聞] Intel外漏20GB機密資料

Intel, leak da 20 GB: documenti interni e riservati <https://www.punto-informatico.it/intel-leak-20-gb-documenti-interni-riservati/> 20 GB di documenti etichettati come “confidenziali” o “segreti riservati” sono stati sottratti a Intel e pubblicati sulla piattaforma MEGA da Till Kottmann, ingegnere informatico svizzero che dichiara di averli ricevuti da

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2020-08-08

cai 17:30:51
聽說今天CWT入場排隊超久

2020-08-09

yccannie.tw 06:49:08
@yccannie.tw has joined the channel
irvin 16:47:08
今天的蘋果二版頁首!
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2020-08-12

2020-08-13

pichuchen 17:02:13
https://github.com/tihtw/taiwan-invoice

開了一個坑,用 Golang 做電子發票 SDK

tihtw/taiwan-invoice

Golang SDK of Taiwan E-Invoice API

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2020-08-15

a-chioh 15:01:26
a-chioh 15:01:49
請問這邊有人用這個語言嗎?
https://elm-lang.org/
mehmetoguzderin 16:47:53
我沒有看Elm太多,但我正想找個藉口試ReasonML:https://reasonml.github.io/reason-react/
a-chioh 17:09:46
elm滿方便但是reasonML 看起來也不錯,會用到的人可能比elm多
a-chioh 17:11:46
elm讓人快速做prototype, 後來如果prototype不小心變成production code也不太會擔心什麼
mehmetoguzderin 17:13:36
那是一個偉大的承諾
mehmetoguzderin 03:25:08
ReasonML (web)變ReScript了
https://rescript-lang.org/
a-chioh 02:31:53
it does look quite nice !
mehmetoguzderin 02:34:12
@a-chioh check out its Discord in case you want to keep an eye: https://discord.gg/reasonml
a-chioh 16:18:17
joined !
a-chioh 16:18:57
I gave it a try yesterday, i got some react working but it was quite confusing
a-chioh 16:19:24
maybe mostly because of the rebranding and the documentation/google indexes not following
a-chioh 16:21:37
(like having to choose between three versions of List modules and trouble to find which fold_left is working and how)
a-chioh 16:21:49
but maybe with some practice things can get clearer
a-chioh 16:26:29
Comparing to Elm, it is more flexible, with easier interop with Js, but it then I'm more likely to feel lost. In Elm you are kind of forced to do things in a certain way, but it happens to be very close to what would be "my way"(🎶) So I'd probably get basic things done faster, where in Rescript, I'm a bit confused on basic things but It may be more convenient in complex cases
a-chioh 16:27:47
(just first impression after a few hours), one main big difference is also Haskell vs. Ocaml syntaxes (and then Elm framework vs. React)
mehmetoguzderin 17:19:30
@a-chioh That's a great overview, maybe you should write a blog post 😁 Renaming definitely messed up with the discovery at this stage but I hope they will sort it out soon. Elm also has many advantages to it, maybe it is better to evaluate on a project-by-project or even widget-by-widget basis
a-chioh 05:12:06
If you are curious, my tests have become a little bit more than a simply trial : https://a-tsioh.github.io/amis-moedict-rescript/indexProduction.html
a-chioh 05:13:56
I have mixed feelings, elm seems less frustratring in some aspects, with a better integration to my IDE (idea intelliJ)
a-chioh 05:14:41
but ReasonReact sounds like a better choice in terms of community and potential contributors
mehmetoguzderin 19:33:19
@a-chioh source code looks very clean in your rewrite, good job (and loads/runs fast)
mehmetoguzderin 19:35:15
Elm seems strong on animation front but I am not sure. As you said, ReScript team is very strong (and they seem to have a long-term vision for being the front-end language on web [something Dart failed at :D])
a-chioh 19:08:13
apparently, I'm not the only one confused by the rebranding... http://psellos.com/2020/08/2020.08.east-van-girls.html
mehmetoguzderin 19:14:05
@a-chioh Yes, although the rebranding is very new, they still didn't do the proper announcement (AFAIK they are pulling marketing stuff together). One thing is for sure: `.res` files will be the future of this effort on web front-end. (But I was surprised when I found out infix overload syntax changed from `(+)` to `\"+"` :joy:)
a-chioh 19:15:54
I probably use a strangely mixed syntax in my own code
a-chioh 19:16:41
I have only vague memories of ocaml (good memories though :P)
mehmetoguzderin 19:17:11
I think your code is all Reason, new ReScript syntax gets rejected by Reason compiler :D
a-chioh 19:18:19
sounds more than likely then ^^
a-chioh 19:18:50
maybe that was a source of frustration, my vague ocaml memories getting rejected by the compiler one by one ?
a-chioh 19:20:17
and more concretely, the idea plugin for Elm is doing a much better job at helping the beginner
mehmetoguzderin 19:21:08
Editor tools definitely help a lot (for example Flutter does a great job there). BTW, did you try doing fuzzy search in client before?
a-chioh 19:22:26
(like type inference is often weird or unavailable 😕 )
a-chioh 19:23:47
fuzzy search ?
mehmetoguzderin 19:24:14
Like Elasticsearch or Algolia, tolerates mistake
mehmetoguzderin 19:24:43
For example I want to search 你 in Taigi and type li (without pronounce annotation) but still accepts
mehmetoguzderin 19:25:01
(by accept, I mean returns a relevant result :D)
a-chioh 19:27:43
well you need a index on the client side which would store converted versions of tokens
a-chioh 19:28:28
Maybe there are some version of string edit distance which works on a sliding window as well
mehmetoguzderin 19:29:28
That makes sense
mehmetoguzderin 19:29:37
Or maybe we should create a ReScript binding for this :D
a-chioh 19:29:59
but for specific change such as tone marks or regular changes in taigi (like ue -> e), I'd probably try to normalize the whole text and search on normalized versions of both the text and the query
mehmetoguzderin 19:30:00
(or rewrite? I am actually curious about what performance impact WebAssembly would have on this)
a-chioh 19:30:31
(Although mapping back to the original text can be tricky)
mehmetoguzderin 19:30:36
Does ue -> e change happens in the same word in different contexts?
a-chioh 19:32:29
it's a very regular dialectal variation between different areas
mehmetoguzderin 19:33:06
That's definitely tricky 🤔
a-chioh 19:36:09
fuse seems nice for the generic case
mehmetoguzderin 19:37:13
Yes, I just tried out some queries with beh, bueh, lin and it does a good job of finding them among relatively close stuff
mehmetoguzderin 19:37:50
And 66 kB is not a huge overhead
a-chioh 20:06:42
yep, if it does the job, it probably worth it
mehmetoguzderin 21:45:35
That's right
mehmetoguzderin 21:46:50
@a-chioh BTW, do you use Twitter?
a-chioh 21:57:37
seldomly , @A_Tsioh
mehmetoguzderin 21:58:37
@a-chioh followed, haha
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irvin 23:08:44
「政府掛保證,個資絕對沒問題」
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2020-08-16

2020-08-18

kiang 20:48:34
剛剛才發現某 app 開發者以為操作過程不會有人知道資料從哪裡來,所以透過 app 存取的位置都沒有任何驗證...(想翻桌...)

2020-08-19

mehmetoguzderin 03:25:08
ReasonML (web)變ReScript了
https://rescript-lang.org/

ReScript Documentation

Overview | ReScript Documentation

The ReScript language and ecosystem docs

2020-08-20

muyueh 10:01:11
@muyueh has left the channel
kiang 22:58:13
難得看到這裡也可以蓋大樓
http://www.ursalary0.com/statisfactions/statisfaction_view_tw/254
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2020-08-21

irvin 22:37:52
小學堂 demo day 倒數一週,報名人數仍然不到一半,告急啊~~
https://g0v-jothon.kktix.cc/events/sch001-demo-2020
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2020-08-22

k6-2 02:53:57
作者;Au
出處:https://www.facebook.com/100014438376965/posts/908216136336324/

🙋 早安午安晚安,下下周三 #HOOK 要和我對談~

🔔 時間:9 月 2 日 17:00~19:30
┊ (即日起至 8 月 30,15~35 歲青年皆可免費報名)
🎁 地點:空總臺灣當代文化實驗場 C-LAB
┊ (台北市大安區建國南路一段 177 號)

🙋‍♂️ 即刻報名:https://m.me/160593648087084?ref=0902salon

🌼 在《我流》系列任務中,累積點數 4 點以上之報名者,優先依序入選;8 月 31 日公布並通知 80 位入選者。

💡 如何收集點數

❶【隨時隨地】雲端故事:2 點。
┊ 到 超牆青年/主題展 粉專置頂貼文留言挑戰者報到,messenger 會收到來自雲端世界的邀請訊息,解鎖故事,可獲 2 點。
❷【預約報名】體驗點:3 點。
┊ 報名參與工作坊、座談、導覽輕旅行等實體活動,體驗完畢,可獲 3 點。
❸【自由走訪】任務點:1 點。
┊ 於場地開放時段,自行安排前往任務點,依現場指示了解該空間故事、簡單手作、回答問題等,答題完成,可獲 1 點。

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唐鳳

:raising_hand: 早安午安晚安,下下周三 #HOOK 要和我對談~ ┊ :bell: 時間:9 月 2 日 17:00~19:30 ┊ (即日起至 8 月 30,15~35 歲青年皆可免費報名) :gift: 地點:空總臺灣當代文化實驗場 C-LAB ┊ (台北市大安區建國南路一段 177 號) ┊ :man-raising-hand: 即刻報名:<https://m.me/160593648087084?ref=0902salon> ┊ :blossom:...

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choulin 11:43:59
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choulin 11:47:53
哈囉,各位好
不好意思打擾、不確定這可不可以在這邊提問,但目前急需協助、只好來這裡問問看
這邊附上一篇法務部前幾天的新聞稿:
https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mjib.gov.tw%2Fnews%2FDetails%2F1%2F624%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3h42tCAJpSi4lTn-FVtWbcxArWbKBCMOemcUQYDN71Pn6Qq8Nc-ZwGDhA&h=AT2w5inCHp26RlmhHm6BkZEenhJjeB4r-cEXUlrIkSiKRWSBRco5l9amACqr0irMO60bKv4ajuxhcIMyIVbCRkbhczLN8gm6tOOwHqwRY2cr3YbCd09zqS6CtHP0j1mD1RWhlgMT6JH40F5M4AKoBA
裡面提到的惡意DN就有兩個是
choulin 11:55:10
哈囉、各位好,不好意思打擾、不知道這邊適不適合問這個,但目前急需協助 所以來這邊請問大家><
我自己正在開發一個小網站 cornerth.com (現在已經暫時連不進去),用途是提供使用者上傳當地照片、分享自己對於周遭環境的觀察
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choulin 11:55:16
但前幾天法務部公布了新聞稿:
https://www.mjib.gov.tw/news/Details/1/624?fbclid=IwAR2kGuP9b2KUt6iz9FM9sPqFaZOG1J2TfqBcUaD3XA_48LLG9oBYeGjpIac
這個網域直接被列在惡意DN名單上,我今早才看到新聞稿
而且運作在同一台server上的另一個網域也被列進去(最後 nctu.me的那個)

mjib.gov.tw

中國駭客組織對我國資訊供應鏈發動攻擊 - 法務部調查局

The description of my page

choulin 11:55:50
我保證我本人沒做任何相關惡意事項,網站經營目的完全不同
因為小弟本身業餘出身、第一回碰上此問題就搞了這麼大QQ
目前完全不確定需要執行甚麼步驟、與如何糾錯解決
想請問這裡有沒有大大願意協助>''<

* 目前僅確認完成:網域與IP分離(兩個網域現在都不會有反應)

2020-08-23

irvin 01:30:34
那一台機器被打進去徹底變成跳板了吧,這應該要找機器的管理者?
choulin 23:34:43
感恩! 後來有與機器管理者一起想辦法、也有一些陸陸續續的協助,初步處理後、現正想辦法抓可能問題點
choulin 23:38:35
因為我們都是業餘起步,做些初步處理後、現正想辦法抓可能問題點
不知道有沒有關於"被打進去"的偵錯方向可提供?
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2020-08-24

kiang 16:43:03
wow - https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/dyzewz/hackers-leak-alleged-internal-files-of-chinese-social-media-monitoring-firms

vice.com

Hackers Leak Alleged Internal Files of Chinese Social Media Monitoring Firms

A group of hackers claims to have breached three Chinese companies that specialize in social media surveillance.

chewei 23:51:30
感謝 cai 跳坑協力,也歡迎對於吉祥物代言角色資料有興趣的朋友參加,目前持續藉由將資料搬移至 airtable 的過程,來形成適合的欄位規劃,例如 cai 幫忙釐清了「名稱」與「企劃」的不同,像是「小穹」與「前進吧!高捷少女」

也會同步進行 地點標註,相關機構 標註

搬運時有疑問 像「前進吧高捷少女」這種是要把企劃名稱寫在 1. 吉祥物名稱 2. 短版描述 3. 新開一個企劃欄位 :question:

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2020-08-29

pichuchen 12:49:05
有人希望我 Tag @au 想一想這個搞不好很有機會改進。

是這樣的,目前如果要做土地買賣等等的資料需要先調謄本,確定這個房子是誰的,該系統網站掛於內政部之下 (nat.gov.tw) 但是需要用民間公司中華電信來付款,付款方式還十分不便,先不要說沒有ATM或是信用卡好了,使用者必須要是中華電信像是光世代之類的月租帳戶(手機不行)不然就是要另外買點數卡。
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ichieh 13:23:53
車輛資料也是,付款方式一頭霧水
https://mvdvan.mvdis.gov.tw/mvdvan/mvdvan
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ichieh 13:24:00
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pichuchen 17:38:50
這是一個電信局時代的遺跡

2020-08-30

irvin 00:09:14
今天下午的 Demo Day 還可以報名
https://g0v-jothon.kktix.cc/events/sch001-demo-2020
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irvin 00:10:21
CC0 句庫的簡報 v0.2
https://hackmd.io/@moztw-cv/cc0-corpus-sch001-demo-day

HackMD

繁體中文 CC0 句庫 - HackMD

# 繁體中文 CC0 句庫 ## Traditional Chinese CC0 Corpus 句庫: <https://github.com/irvin/cc0-sentences/> 統計/清理工

irvin 00:11:01
歡迎大家來捧場啊~~
chihao 15:51:59
@irvin:聊天即語料 🖖🏼
chihao 15:53:20
0archive 的資料不知道有沒有機會丟到這個專案裡?
trinity.samit.tan 15:53:38
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chihao 15:54:44
斷句有沒有一個推薦的作法呢?
kiang 15:55:46
之前有聊, @irvin 還是希望人工處理的樣子
chihao 15:57:56
所以人工整理就是要整理這個
chihao 15:58:09
把句子變得完整、好唸
kiang 15:58:12
所以要的是好唸的句子
chihao 15:58:21
🤔
chyuaner 15:58:51
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chihao 15:59:43
要不要做個分身伐樹的 web 介面呢?
chihao 15:59:52
有時間就來整理個一兩百句
irvin 16:10:25
> 把 chatlog 的句子拆開成一句一句,去識別化,移掉冷僻難句,打散順序,然後 commit 到 repo
irvin 16:10:44
我來找找我有沒有把基本的步驟 commit 去哪
irvin 16:11:16
https://github.com/irvin/cc0-sentences/blob/master/zh-TW/g0v_slack_rand0m_README.md

zh-TW/g0v_slack_rand0m_README.md

``` # [g0v Slack][3] #rand0m channel chatlog ## 整理方法 1. 把 [chatlog][1] 的句子拆開成一句一句 2. 編輯內容去識別化,移掉冷僻難句,隨機打散順序 3. 然後commit 到 [repo][2],並更新 [README](<https://github.com/irvin/cc0-sentences/blob/master/zh-TW/g0v_slack_rand0m_README.md>) 檔案中的進度標示 整理的成果品質標準可參考目前的句子 [1]: <https://g0v-slack-archive.g0v.ronny.tw/index/channel/CGU1SLHNH/> [2]: <https://github.com/irvin/cc0-sentences/blob/master/zh-TW/g0v_slack_rand0m.txt> [3]: <http://join.g0v.tw/> ## 目前進度 整理至 [2019/6](<https://g0v-slack-archive.g0v.ronny.tw/index/channel/CGU1SLHNH/2019-06>) 完成 ```

irvin 16:11:41
最主要是要拆掉複合句
irvin 16:13:04
最主要是要拆掉複合句,以我這一句為例,我 commit 上去的可能會是:
• 最主要是複合句
• 要拆掉複合句
irvin 16:13:04
就讓他更不饒舌更好念
irvin 16:13:16
其實不是每一句都要調,粗估 1/5~1/10 左右吧
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irvin 16:14:39
> 就讓他更不饒舌更好念
以這一句來說,我整理時就有可能會把「就」刪掉
irvin 16:15:59
然後處理 rand0m chatlog 的另一個工作重點是刪除 quote 進來的版權內容
irvin 16:23:29
以上句來說,commit 進去句庫前就需要先斷句,變成:
> 處理的另一個工作重點
(這邊要斷掉,刪掉英文)
> 刪除進來的版權內容
tmonk 16:33:10
專案完成度好高
irvin 17:21:51
通通都用機器抓維基百科的隨機句子,沒有人工處理的範例:
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mozilla/common-voice/main/server/data/zh-CN/wiki.zh-cn.txt
irvin 17:22:13
去錄音就會覺得很痛苦⋯⋯