#vnyc
2017-12-01
interesting. thx cordelia!
related: i always thought conservatives were likely to fail the _ideological turing test_, but she apparently passed... http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2011/06/the_ideological.html
tl;dr. the test is a suggestion that two competing ideologies can be judged against one another based on whether followers of one can understand the other well enough to simulate them -- they have a theory of mind for the opposing ideology that is not distorted, ie they understand the other side enough to mimic it, but still reject it based on that full, unbiased understanding.
related: i always thought conservatives were likely to fail the _ideological turing test_, but she apparently passed... http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2011/06/the_ideological.html
tl;dr. the test is a suggestion that two competing ideologies can be judged against one another based on whether followers of one can understand the other well enough to simulate them -- they have a theory of mind for the opposing ideology that is not distorted, ie they understand the other side enough to mimic it, but still reject it based on that full, unbiased understanding.
econlog.econlib.org
In a Turing Test, a computer tries to pass for human:A human judge engages in a natural language conversation with one human and one machine, each emulating human responses. All participants are separated from one another. If the judge cannot...
heh…she really didn’t. folks p immediately were creeped out
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Yay! My previous beliefs are revalidated through a non-primary source! (no further questions! Premise accepted!)
2017-12-05
Hi. I'll be in California Dec 13-Jan 13(ish), so if you want to meet up in-person before the year ends, talk strategy, etc, we should plan something.
I’m also going to be out during this time.
Should we plan something on the calendar for 10th or 11th?
Either evening could work for me.
if do remote, weekend works as well
I will be up for that. Right now, Sunday 10th is the front runner. Does that work?
@lizbarry ^^ what time on Sunday were you thinking?
Oh wow. Responses! Missed them. Yes the 10th works for me.
we’re thinking of starting at 2pm meeting at Orbital. Will post agenda tomorrow. Please feel free to come for all or the parts that interest you.
@katehnicholson has joined the channel
Everyone, meet Kate! She helped with my campaign and is a big participatory democracy fan.
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I’m also going to be out during this time.
Should we plan something on the calendar for 10th or 11th?
hiya Kate! Nice to meet you!
@darshana @itsmisscs @lizbarry here's a shared gdrive: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1502DmThbT3o-J-iHqX9H8XbsdEdActXx
in-progress rightscon panel doc in there. due at midnight
in-progress rightscon panel doc in there. due at midnight
due 11:59 pacific.
Hey I'm view only on that
due 11:59 pacific.
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@patcon me too! can you change link perms?
WORLD WRITABLE 4EVAR
done.
maybe we can rethink that later..? not sure
ok, thinking we could write it as someone from Composite Collective just to fit their rubric of one person submission (?)
but had me thinking about a question for later -- should we de-emphasize composite collective going forward? like should it just be like an LLC that some people use to get paid? I wonder whether it confuses and distracts from what g0v is trying to be over here -- i'm wondering whether CC might seem like a sub-club, maybe, and a confusingly ambiguous "we" that isn't as inclusive
soooo maybe we should just say our affiliation is g0v?
they don’t know who g0v is
I’ve been poking through the speakers from last year
yay, we're indie!
is poking through guidelines to choose best format
i think the g0v angle would be great at tictec, i feel this crowd the focus needs to be on conversation technology (f2f) and its impact/potential to transform gov
"Civic Tech, Citizenship, and E-Governance" bucket?
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that sounds good
Thanks @devin! Hii <!channel> great to join the group 👋😀
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oh wait, what about "The State of Global Civil Society". i know some ppl have reaction to "civic tech".
meh. i guess this is all just a guess. could fall under a few 🙂 civic tech it is!
are we going to try to wrangle more than 60 minutes somehow? i'm feeling a little dissonance about how we were talking about this before, and what the timeslot might impose. so how does this translate? is it just like a short orientation of how citizen facilitation works?
@darshana and i cannot fathom doing a rights con proposal and not an event in nyc. in that case, i see it as a big of a run through? still record it but maybe tailor the workshop
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i don’t think we could run through all the training in 60-75 min, right @lizbarry?
i like idea of orientation but also want folks to go away with something
"Orientation to newly filmed and translated materials"
would nyc come first or after?
What is the NYC vision? The inflatable in McCarren park? 🎈🎈🎈🎈🎈🎈🎈🎈🎈
I think it's whatever we can make happen
What do you want?
i guess it depends on what they are available for
(Like!) So might it be framed as like an intro to a kit/package/course, where we invite participants to investigate/organize trainings in their local communities?
would nyc come first or after?
fwiw, a group in toronto raised $30,000 on kickstarter and build a kit to help people run grassroots municipal campaigns. I was thinkin about that with the "kit" mention:
https://www.democracykit.org/orientation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WmWkpm1HJ8
https://www.democracykit.org/orientation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WmWkpm1HJ8
DemocracyKit | Open Democracy Project
Complete the @DemocracyKit orientation. Open politics from the ground up.
YouTube
happy to park that thought though. just thought it might be relevant to framing shorter talks around this thing we're trying to organize 🙂
What is the NYC vision? The inflatable in McCarren park? 🎈🎈🎈🎈🎈🎈🎈🎈🎈
taking a look
I think it's whatever we can make happen
What do you want?
Hope that me writing fast as this plane taxis isn't putting anyone off! I ideate proposals fast then clean then up
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My use of the pronoun we is very collective minded
@patcon i’m curious how this goes tomorrow! pls report back https://www.meetup.com/Civic-Tech-Toronto/events/244699684/
Meetup
12/5, 7:00 PM: A civic tech community brainstormWe&#39;ve seen a lot of excitement -- and some concern -- about the Waterfront Toronto + Sidewalk Labs project (<http://sidewalktoronto.ca>) at Quayside.
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i was hoping to shim some pol.is reflective phase exercises in, but its so little tiiiiiime
i was hoping to shim some pol.is reflective phase exercises in, but its so little tiiiiiime
i guess it depends on what they are available for
> Finally, while competition is steep and you should put your best foot forward, remember your submission doesn’t need to be set in stone on the first go! Think of this as your concept note. If accepted, we’ll work with you to fine tune your session for the greatest impact.
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Access Now
We want you at RightsCon Toronto on May 16-18! Here's how to prepare and submit a session proposal.
alright i did a bunch of edits. Does someone think they can do the final pass?
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Ok just chatted with @patcon -- I am handing the baton off. .. to whom? Who will actually submit?
@itsmisscs and/or @darshana wanna do a call and just get this submitted in draft form?
done and done! thanks for provoking the last minute submission blitz, @itsmisscs!
should we officially invite audrey using wiselike.tw? I feel like that's a public place that she would appreciate: https://wiselike.tw/#/user/audreyt
2017-12-06
Nice work-- have sifted through the channels, my interest is piqued. Would love to get together for quick run down / hello.
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Hai 👋🏾 thrilled to hear. we’re tentatively thinking about a get together to discuss facilitation project plans and some other topics the second half of sunday. would you want to join either IRL or remote?
ps. excited to meet and talk and say hello
🙃 Looking forward to it too. Yep, Sunday should work for me.
I’m down with real life if you’re planning that.
Either evening could work for me.
if do remote, weekend works as well
Relevant tweet: https://twitter.com/heif/status/937735980177649664
I wonder what Obama thinks of WeWork buying MeetUp 😬 https://venturebeat.com/2017/11/28/wework-acquires-meetup/
yeah, i feel ya. i'm hoping this kicks the tech-capable communities on that platform to start building more open alternatives. wework might be decent stewards in the near future, but i'm still uncomfortable with what feels like a vertical market grab 😕
I like that thought. And I guess i’m not actually too disgruntled :] — the intentions are def worthwhile, and my view of WeWork is pretty NYC-centric— it’s less loathsome in places where workspace open to anyone is hard to come by. so yeah, :raised_hands: let the people bump into each other in work and meeting up.
anyone else on this google group? (just applied to join, but not sure what it entails!)
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/vtaiwan
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/vtaiwan
2017-12-07
I wonder what Obama thinks of WeWork buying MeetUp 😬 https://venturebeat.com/2017/11/28/wework-acquires-meetup/
VentureBeat
Shared work space giant WeWork has acquired Meetup, the social community platform that helps people get together in real life (IRL). Terms of the deal were not disclosed.
I will be up for that. Right now, Sunday 10th is the front runner. Does that work?
@lizbarry ^^ what time on Sunday were you thinking?
yeah, i feel ya. i'm hoping this kicks the tech-capable communities on that platform to start building more open alternatives. wework might be decent stewards in the near future, but i'm still uncomfortable with what feels like a vertical market grab 😕
Patrick Connolly
I just heard about *Structured Dialogic Design* (SDD)! Is anyone here familiar with it? Might it have informed any part of vTaiwan's architecture?
http://ncdd.org/rc/item/2884
http://redesignresearch.com/docs/Laouris%20ABCs%20of%20SDD.pdf
Hai 👋🏾 thrilled to hear. we’re tentatively thinking about a get together to discuss facilitation project plans and some other topics the second half of sunday. would you want to join either IRL or remote?
ps. excited to meet and talk and say hello
🙃 Looking forward to it too. Yep, Sunday should work for me.
I’m down with real life if you’re planning that.
I like that thought. And I guess i’m not actually too disgruntled :] — the intentions are def worthwhile, and my view of WeWork is pretty NYC-centric— it’s less loathsome in places where workspace open to anyone is hard to come by. so yeah, :raised_hands: let the people bump into each other in work and meeting up.
2017-12-08
anyone know of https://sovrin.org/?
LOL what a lovely site meta description they have there
LOL I don't know why but i find that way too funny
ME TOO!
ME TOO!
lol "freedom to internet"
can this be the livethread???
wooooo EFFECTIVE AND OPEN GOVERNMENT 🎉 🎉
@noneck I was trying to screencap the several moments of pure glee that you entered when you realized there was an extra 10 minutes, but my screencap software effed up 😢
@darshana livestream is GREAT! is there an other virtual spaces that I could tag along in, particularly once breakouts start? or might livestream keep going?
i would love to eavesdrop!
lol
I’m here
what do you want to know
@noneck😂 every community is smart
@patcon they don’t have cams for the breakouts, yet
i think the stream will stop and then pick back up.
would be so cool to get a livestream in a box setup
oh yeah
that will be cool
i’m curious how pdis and watchout record their events
people are engaged. which is great
nice way to reach out to internet society
lots of questions
that’s fantastic!
sounds that way. more than others
@darshanaare folks using slido?
More proactive people
no sli.do uptake though
either people don’t feel the need to use it or we are not explaining it right
is it up on a screen?
breakout time
👋🏾
this is awesome. i’m a few minutes behind.
sooo many questttions. lol. Jump in people! 🙃
me too. i'm behind, because i got distracted by a youtube video in the sidebar :facepalm:
haha. i was distracted by a tea kettle i forgot about.
will they be returning to the stream?
> would be so cool to get a livestream in a box setup
have the same need at civictechto. another friend does it, but she wants to make it more of a rotatable role, and figure out some good gear. def interested in connecting y'all on that if we wanna talk about some sort diy kit! 🙂
have the same need at civictechto. another friend does it, but she wants to make it more of a rotatable role, and figure out some good gear. def interested in connecting y'all on that if we wanna talk about some sort diy kit! 🙂
we played with https://restream.io/ for sending to all live services (twitter, fb, youtube) but ran into some glitches. worth revisiting though
> nice way to reach out to internet society
@itsmisscs like internetsociety.org? or just the term? :slightly_smiling_face:
@itsmisscs like internetsociety.org? or just the term? :slightly_smiling_face:
> will they be returning to the stream?
@katehnicholson i think @darshana said they were
@katehnicholson i think @darshana said they were
@katehnicholson yeah, after breakouts…so in 30-40.
@patcon yup, them 🙂
@itsmisscs @patcon cool thanks
@patcon have you played with twitch?
@itsmisscs it seems like the thing most like livehouse.in, but since we weren't up to running such inclusive events (just working on livestreaming), haven't had a chance to dive in..!
they apparently allow non-gaming now? although their categories didn't quite fit vefore, so i wasn't clear if we were within the rules
ah, i don't think i read through these full docs before, but they're helpful for twitch:
- https://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/2176641-creative-faq
(reading now)
- https://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/2176641-creative-faq
(reading now)
oops. wrong one. but the creative faq is hilarious
> *Q. Can I broadcast building furniture for my office?*
> A. Assembling office furniture is not allowed. However, if you are building out your broadcast studio or customizing furniture, feel free to use Twitch Creative.
> *Q. Can I broadcast building furniture for my office?*
> A. Assembling office furniture is not allowed. However, if you are building out your broadcast studio or customizing furniture, feel free to use Twitch Creative.
this was what i meant to share:
https://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/2672652-irl-faq
https://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/2672652-irl-faq
gonna move twitch convo out of thread 😁
yup yup!
@darshana did it end?
@darshana is facilitating
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lol "freedom to internet"
Replied to a thread: 2017-12-08 08:14:40
can this be the livethread???
wooooo EFFECTIVE AND OPEN GOVERNMENT 🎉 🎉
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@noneck I was trying to screencap the several moments of pure glee that you entered when you realized there was an extra 10 minutes, but my screencap software effed up 😢
@darshana livestream is GREAT! is there an other virtual spaces that I could tag along in, particularly once breakouts start? or might livestream keep going?
i would love to eavesdrop!
lol
I’m here
what do you want to know
@noneck😂 every community is smart
@patcon they don’t have cams for the breakouts, yet
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i think the stream will stop and then pick back up.
would be so cool to get a livestream in a box setup
oh yeah
that will be cool
i’m curious how pdis and watchout record their events
people are engaged. which is great
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nice way to reach out to internet society
lots of questions
that’s fantastic!
sounds that way. more than others
@darshanaare folks using slido?
More proactive people
no sli.do uptake though
either people don’t feel the need to use it or we are not explaining it right
is it up on a screen?
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breakout time
👋🏾
this is awesome. i’m a few minutes behind.
sooo many questttions. lol. Jump in people! 🙃
me too. i'm behind, because i got distracted by a youtube video in the sidebar :facepalm:
haha. i was distracted by a tea kettle i forgot about.
will they be returning to the stream?
> would be so cool to get a livestream in a box setup
have the same need at civictechto. another friend does it, but she wants to make it more of a rotatable role, and figure out some good gear. def interested in connecting y'all on that if we wanna talk about some sort diy kit! 🙂
have the same need at civictechto. another friend does it, but she wants to make it more of a rotatable role, and figure out some good gear. def interested in connecting y'all on that if we wanna talk about some sort diy kit! 🙂
we played with https://restream.io/ for sending to all live services (twitter, fb, youtube) but ran into some glitches. worth revisiting though
Restream
Restream is the best way to stream to YouTube, Twitch, Mixer, Facebook and 30+ other services simultaneously
> nice way to reach out to internet society
@itsmisscs like internetsociety.org? or just the term? :slightly_smiling_face:
@itsmisscs like internetsociety.org? or just the term? :slightly_smiling_face:
> will they be returning to the stream?
@katehnicholson i think @darshana said they were
@katehnicholson i think @darshana said they were
@katehnicholson yeah, after breakouts…so in 30-40.
@patcon yup, them 🙂
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@itsmisscs @patcon cool thanks
@patcon have you played with twitch?
@itsmisscs it seems like the thing most like livehouse.in, but since we weren't up to running such inclusive events (just working on livestreaming), haven't had a chance to dive in..!
they apparently allow non-gaming now? although their categories didn't quite fit vefore, so i wasn't clear if we were within the rules
ah, i don't think i read through these full docs before, but they're helpful for twitch:
- https://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/2176641-creative-faq
(reading now)
- https://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/2176641-creative-faq
(reading now)
Twitch
Twitch Creative FAQ Learn all about Twitch Creative and find the answers you need! Notice an error or have feedback fo...
oops. wrong one. but the creative faq is hilarious
> *Q. Can I broadcast building furniture for my office?*
> A. Assembling office furniture is not allowed. However, if you are building out your broadcast studio or customizing furniture, feel free to use Twitch Creative.
> *Q. Can I broadcast building furniture for my office?*
> A. Assembling office furniture is not allowed. However, if you are building out your broadcast studio or customizing furniture, feel free to use Twitch Creative.
this was what i meant to share:
https://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/2672652-irl-faq
https://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/2672652-irl-faq
Twitch
IRL FAQ Learn all about Twitch IRL and find the answers you need! Notice an error or have feedback for this article? L...
gonna move twitch convo out of thread 😁
re: using twitch (from thread): https://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/2672652-irl-faq
I was thinking our category would be one of these:
- ~Creative~
- IRL
- Not Playing (not listed in any discoverable mode)
- Talk Show
Might be other options though
I was thinking our category would be one of these:
- ~Creative~
- IRL
- Not Playing (not listed in any discoverable mode)
- Talk Show
Might be other options though
despite how it looks, talk shows apparently don't need to be about gaming...
https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/5l17yy/what_are_the_rules_for_talk_shows_on_twitch/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/5l17yy/what_are_the_rules_for_talk_shows_on_twitch/
man, it'd be fun to livestream a VR work session if we figure out how to work on our projects in that environment 😉
like notch, but with consultation processes...! that would make me soooo focussed and productive
@patcon Like we could be roaming around the room right now tapping peoples shoulders and joint the sessions?
Joining *
omg, i wasn't even thinking about how this could revolutionize hallway testing for designing consultation experiences...!
(aside) re: twitch. 3d modelling might be a place we could work on twitch for certain types of work on this...
https://www.twitch.tv/communities/3dmodeling/details
https://www.twitch.tv/communities/3dmodeling/details
Haha. Dig it.
Presenters could share 3D room models showing where sensors are stationed in key locations to roam to. Then people could put parallel sensors in their home or on a mountainside and just like participate whrever.
I don’t really know what I’m talking about but, just to throw it out there.
haha no worries -- i'm figuring this out too
had a chance to use a VR setup yet? i feel like getting in there clarified soooooo much about how it might work in practice
as a group, maybe we could make effort to give everyone interested in these projects a "first go" with really nice gear, so we're all maximally equipped to start thinking on how VR could be put for these things we care about together!
as a group, maybe we could make effort to give everyone interested in these projects a "first go" with really nice gear, so we're all maximally equipped to start thinking on how VR could be put for these things we care about together!
Ok, a bit more informed about twitch now having clicked the links. Useful.
yeah I’ve seen/played a few VR things. I was going off on an AR tangent I think.
Oh but no not a vr set up. I’ve just consumed content
despite how it looks, talk shows apparently don't need to be about gaming...
https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/5l17yy/what_are_the_rules_for_talk_shows_on_twitch/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/5l17yy/what_are_the_rules_for_talk_shows_on_twitch/
Do they have to be all gaming? I know Kinda Funny streams non-gaming shows sometimes. I want to stream my podcast on Twitch.
reddit
man, it'd be fun to livestream a VR work session if we figure out how to work on our projects in that environment 😉
like notch, but with consultation processes...! that would make me soooo focussed and productive
@patcon Like we could be roaming around the room right now tapping peoples shoulders and joint the sessions?
Joining *
omg, i wasn't even thinking about how this could revolutionize hallway testing for designing consultation experiences...!
(aside) re: twitch. 3d modelling might be a place we could work on twitch for certain types of work on this...
https://www.twitch.tv/communities/3dmodeling/details
https://www.twitch.tv/communities/3dmodeling/details
twitch.tv 
Haha. Dig it.
Presenters could share 3D room models showing where sensors are stationed in key locations to roam to. Then people could put parallel sensors in their home or on a mountainside and just like participate whrever.
I don’t really know what I’m talking about but, just to throw it out there.
haha no worries -- i'm figuring this out too
had a chance to use a VR setup yet? i feel like getting in there clarified soooooo much about how it might work in practice
as a group, maybe we could make effort to give everyone interested in these projects a "first go" with really nice gear, so we're all maximally equipped to start thinking on how VR could be put for these things we care about together!
as a group, maybe we could make effort to give everyone interested in these projects a "first go" with really nice gear, so we're all maximally equipped to start thinking on how VR could be put for these things we care about together!
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Ok, a bit more informed about twitch now having clicked the links. Useful.
yup yup!
yeah I’ve seen/played a few VR things. I was going off on an AR tangent I think.
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@darshana did it end?
Oh but no not a vr set up. I’ve just consumed content
twitch is going crazy over the game awards right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs5Ml7_2wT0
This wonderful dev in my community uses it to stream her open-source work
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cool! do you think she'd be comfortable if you shared the link here or in private? it sounds way-fun
of course https://www.twitch.tv/noopkat. She’s written about it, too. Even has really cute illustrations
wow i’ve never watched these before. she’s great. also really amazing to see the engagement.
i'm officially on twitch! you have an account you'd be down to share?
https://www.twitch.tv/patcon__
https://www.twitch.tv/patcon__
i just joined too. share fun things with me too please :] https://www.twitch.tv/thatsnothowabunnyhops
BEST. USERNAME. TODAY.
hha
should we make a g0v community on twitch?
https://www.twitch.tv/communities/create
https://www.twitch.tv/communities/create
sure, though looks like we need to wait 90 days
i actually dug up an account from last year that I forgot about, so I'm good!
But on second though, maybe it's better to figure how we might use twitch (if at all) before naming a community, though...
but lemme know if YOU want one, and I can help you skip the line 😛
But on second though, maybe it's better to figure how we might use twitch (if at all) before naming a community, though...
but lemme know if YOU want one, and I can help you skip the line 😛
#desperateforcommunity 👽
haha, yeah i think your thought is sound.
let’s consider the purpose a sec
Oh wow. Responses! Missed them. Yes the 10th works for me.
cool! do you think she'd be comfortable if you shared the link here or in private? it sounds way-fun
we’re thinking of starting at 2pm meeting at Orbital. Will post agenda tomorrow. Please feel free to come for all or the parts that interest you.
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of course https://www.twitch.tv/noopkat. She’s written about it, too. Even has really cute illustrations
wow i’ve never watched these before. she’s great. also really amazing to see the engagement.
i'm officially on twitch! you have an account you'd be down to share?
https://www.twitch.tv/patcon__
https://www.twitch.tv/patcon__
i just joined too. share fun things with me too please :] https://www.twitch.tv/thatsnothowabunnyhops
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BEST. USERNAME. TODAY.
hha
should we make a g0v community on twitch?
https://www.twitch.tv/communities/create
https://www.twitch.tv/communities/create
sure, though looks like we need to wait 90 days
i actually dug up an account from last year that I forgot about, so I'm good!
But on second though, maybe it's better to figure how we might use twitch (if at all) before naming a community, though...
but lemme know if YOU want one, and I can help you skip the line 😛
But on second though, maybe it's better to figure how we might use twitch (if at all) before naming a community, though...
but lemme know if YOU want one, and I can help you skip the line 😛
#desperateforcommunity 👽
haha, yeah i think your thought is sound.
let’s consider the purpose a sec
wow. just to surface this again -- this seems REALLY worth reading. My impression is that vtaiwan is not related to it, but there are many similar threads (software facilitating consensus):
https://g0v-tw.slack.com/archives/C2Q1M4N1J/p1512608303000101
https://g0v-tw.slack.com/archives/C2Q1M4N1J/p1512608303000101
I just heard about *Structured Dialogic Design* (SDD)! Is anyone here familiar with it? Might it have informed any part of vTaiwan's architecture?
http://ncdd.org/rc/item/2884
http://redesignresearch.com/docs/Laouris%20ABCs%20of%20SDD.pdf
http://www.ideaprism.net/ (omg the website is the worst. emails me a password. has no data policy. not ssl on signup page. ugh)
i think we should start a library:
http://www.infoagepub.com/products/The-Talking-Point
http://www.infoagepub.com/products/The-Talking-Point
this dude seems to be a respected practitioners of SDD, and he's worked with OCAD University's strategic foresight lab in Toronto, so that's nice: http://slab.ocadu.ca/community/jeff-diedrich
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO1NejVI-c4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO1NejVI-c4
Cool. I’ve never come across SDD, but am largely unfamiliar w the software / science / theory world behind the design methods.
Sounds like an effective way to surface leverage points quickly. I Like the paired influence evaluations part a lot. Are you familiar w theory of change and general problem systems and ecosystems mapping? I’ve done of a bunch of that. I like how this SDD approach makes it easy to segue into that right from the discovery phase of issues through the influence evaluation. Think I will have to try t!
Sounds like an effective way to surface leverage points quickly. I Like the paired influence evaluations part a lot. Are you familiar w theory of change and general problem systems and ecosystems mapping? I’ve done of a bunch of that. I like how this SDD approach makes it easy to segue into that right from the discovery phase of issues through the influence evaluation. Think I will have to try t!
Yeah! The map/tree that SDD draws really reminded me of the theory of change graph we drew when I participated in a ToC exercise, but something seems maybe more elementary about the SDD way of developing it. More organic maybe?
Yeah exactly. TOC has really confused me at times. Im super interested in the SDD method as a solution for that confusion. Thanks for sharing! A lot of these methodologies and artifacts can be so academic and isolated. It’s nice when they’re forumlated in a way that actaully flows with reality.
I copied over part of this conversation. Do y’all wanna copy pasta over your comments so they come from you on this thread http://soul.compositescollective.com/t/structured-dialogic-design-sdd-a-facilitaiton-method/149?
Cool! Maybe we could just link slackarchive.io for specific convo? Whichever works -- happy to copy over when I'm on desktop too!
not bad idea
http://www.ideaprism.net/ (omg the website is the worst. emails me a password. has no data policy. not ssl on signup page. ugh)
i think we should start a library:
http://www.infoagepub.com/products/The-Talking-Point
http://www.infoagepub.com/products/The-Talking-Point
this dude seems to be a respected practitioners of SDD, and he's worked with OCAD University's strategic foresight lab in Toronto, so that's nice: http://slab.ocadu.ca/community/jeff-diedrich
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO1NejVI-c4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO1NejVI-c4
Cool. I’ve never come across SDD, but am largely unfamiliar w the software / science / theory world behind the design methods.
Sounds like an effective way to surface leverage points quickly. I Like the paired influence evaluations part a lot. Are you familiar w theory of change and general problem systems and ecosystems mapping? I’ve done of a bunch of that. I like how this SDD approach makes it easy to segue into that right from the discovery phase of issues through the influence evaluation. Think I will have to try t!
Sounds like an effective way to surface leverage points quickly. I Like the paired influence evaluations part a lot. Are you familiar w theory of change and general problem systems and ecosystems mapping? I’ve done of a bunch of that. I like how this SDD approach makes it easy to segue into that right from the discovery phase of issues through the influence evaluation. Think I will have to try t!
2017-12-09
Yeah! The map/tree that SDD draws really reminded me of the theory of change graph we drew when I participated in a ToC exercise, but something seems maybe more elementary about the SDD way of developing it. More organic maybe?
Yeah exactly. TOC has really confused me at times. Im super interested in the SDD method as a solution for that confusion. Thanks for sharing! A lot of these methodologies and artifacts can be so academic and isolated. It’s nice when they’re forumlated in a way that actaully flows with reality.
Thurs, Dec 14th! *Democracy.Earth event in NYC!*
https://twitter.com/DemocracyEarth/status/939140096976084992
(@virgile-dev, who we know from pol.is issue queue working on decid.im, is a democracy.earth member along with pia mancina and that crew)
https://twitter.com/DemocracyEarth/status/939140096976084992
(@virgile-dev, who we know from pol.is issue queue working on decid.im, is a democracy.earth member along with pia mancina and that crew)
Just got on waitlist
Aw rats. Would you pass on going if you don't get through that?
i think i'll probably just show up
oh wow!
so good!
I copied over part of this conversation. Do y’all wanna copy pasta over your comments so they come from you on this thread http://soul.compositescollective.com/t/structured-dialogic-design-sdd-a-facilitaiton-method/149?
Composites Collective
Copying over @patcon’s notes and resources on SDD. Originally posted in Slack. wow. just to surface this again – this seems REALLY worth reading. My impression is that vtaiwan is not related to it, but there are many similar threads (software facilitating consensus): <http://ncdd.org/rc/item/2884> <http://redesignresearch.com/docs/Laouris%20ABCs%20of%20SDD.pdf> <http://www.ideaprism.net/> (omg the website is the worst. emails me a password. has no data policy. not ssl on signup page. ugh) https:...
Wanna invite folks to signup, peruse, comment on http://soul.compositescollective.com/. It’s an open discourse instance (thanks PDIS for the inspiration). Feedback welcome.
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Cool! Maybe we could just link slackarchive.io for specific convo? Whichever works -- happy to copy over when I'm on desktop too!
Hm, this is all interesting. Hadn't heard of the blulu.tw thing:
- https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/luchiahua0515/20151209-blulu-part-1-deliberate-concept-web-applications-x-public-deliberation?ref=https://blulu.tw/
- https://ocf-tw.hackpad.com/Loomio-l8fikCsKHiG (transcript is great)
- https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/luchiahua0515/20151209-blulu-part-1-deliberate-concept-web-applications-x-public-deliberation?ref=https://blulu.tw/
- https://ocf-tw.hackpad.com/Loomio-l8fikCsKHiG (transcript is great)
slideshare.net
Loomio、審議、動民主 時間: 2015/12/9 19:00 - 21:30 地點：Appier Cafe 台北市信義區基隆路一段394號1樓 主辦：OCF 開放文化基金會 報名：<http://ocftw.kktix.cc/events/blulu> 直播： 錄影： 19:00 - 19:30 報到 19:30…
ocf-tw.hackpad.com
時間 time: 2015/12/9 19:00 - 21:30 地點 location：Appier Cafe 台北市信義區基隆路一段394號1樓 主辦 host：OCF 開放文化基金會 報名 registration：<http://ocftw.kktix.cc/events/blulu> 錄影：<https://www.youtube>.
And oh gawd the gundam slide
The concepts in blulu are great, and help me understand how some of the engagement processes were being perverted in tw
🙂 thanks for finding such great resources!
i love how you dig @patcon. also @darshana, i like how they call out that they are self funded. nice reminder to add a “support our projects” call to action (see blulu.tw)
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@dzn and I first learned about Blulu metrics from Open Government Report session at TicTec@Taipei I was recently talking to Shu, from PDIS, and she pointed me to this thread from one of the creators <https://disqus.com/home/discussion/opengovreport-ocf-tw/8146343df8a94559ae13733228cab03c/> @patcon dug up some great links and posted to slack. <http://blulu.tw/> <https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/luchiahua0515/20151209-blulu-part-1-deliberate-concept-web-applications-x-public-deliberation?ref=https>...
🙂 thanks for finding such great resources!
2017-12-10
Morning, underestimated the condition of the road and missed my scheduled bus. Taking the next one but it arrives at 1:29. Will be arriving at orbital just on time or some minutes past 2pm. Apologies!
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@patcon @lizbarry @darshana @devin @katehnicholson Bus had to stop at the repair show 😩 Updating hackmd link with some things so y’all can get started in my absence.
Ok 2p still? I have to eat a meal then come in
I’ll probably be there closer to 2:30. ETA is 1:45. The roads are clear and we are making good time.
Ok see you guys in a bit .
I can be there at 2 and let everyone in.
I'll aim for 2. Looking forward to it.
sweet on the GW…and the first run in with traffic 😝
Updated [the agenda](https://hackmd.io/BwNgxgJiCsAssFoQEYzQbAphRBOYADLggGYkBMJYJAhsMHLkA===?both). Added “Run of Show” section. Feel free to get started! See everyone soon. Super stoked!
ok i got caught on the phone -- i'll be in in like 30 minutes
I’m at west 4th!
I’m about 25 away.
Getting on the F.
see you guys at orbital. I’ll let you in. ping on slack or ring the bell
Oy overestimated the MTA,a few away. Shall ping when downstairs.
np. ping when here
Hey here
2017-12-11
@patcon @lizbarry @darshana @devin @katehnicholson Bus had to stop at the repair show 😩 Updating hackmd link with some things so y’all can get started in my absence.
Ok 2p still? I have to eat a meal then come in
Just got on waitlist
I’ll probably be there closer to 2:30. ETA is 1:45. The roads are clear and we are making good time.
Ok see you guys in a bit .
I can be there at 2 and let everyone in.
I'll aim for 2. Looking forward to it.
sweet on the GW…and the first run in with traffic 😝
Updated [the agenda](https://hackmd.io/BwNgxgJiCsAssFoQEYzQbAphRBOYADLggGYkBMJYJAhsMHLkA===?both). Added “Run of Show” section. Feel free to get started! See everyone soon. Super stoked!
hackmd.io 
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Aw rats. Would you pass on going if you don't get through that?
ok i got caught on the phone -- i'll be in in like 30 minutes
I’m at west 4th!
I’m about 25 away.
Getting on the F.
see you guys at orbital. I’ll let you in. ping on slack or ring the bell
A guy wants to join from florida
I'm walking over now
haha classic liz -- meets someone on street who wants to come 😜
@patcon set the channel topic: PUBLICLY logged. docs: http://beta.hackfoldr.org/nyc-participatory-democracy/ invites to g0v slack: http://join.g0v.today
Can someon let me in?
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Me too
I'm just hanging in https://appear.in/vnyc, if no one has other plans for remote part!
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Me too
Oy overestimated the MTA,a few away. Shall ping when downstairs.
@davehackett1 has joined the channel
np. ping when here
Hey here
Oh man, I wish we had someone in Ottawa interested in vtaiwan: the community of federal regulators is throwing a conference over the next few days.
http://cfrconference.ipac.ca
http://cfrconference.ipac.ca
Explore themes and challenges facing the regulatory field now and tomorrow at the 2017 CFR Regulatory Conference!
Explore themes and challenges facing the regulatory field now and tomorrow at the 2017 CFR Regulatory Conference!
Next NYC Meetup at democracy.earth event this Thursday?
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If I can change my flight I will see y’all. Otherwise I look forward to the notes
i have ticket so wil see ya there.
i cancelled my flight…rebooking
If I can change my flight I will see y’all. Otherwise I look forward to the notes
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heyo @katehnicholson -- in regards to the graph you were making, was that mapping out the relations and affiliations of everyone involved?
If so, was wondering how you would feel about putting it on graphcommons as a collaborative resource. By way of example, @lizbarry and I were playing with it as a way to track who was from where in `#general-en` channel (so we could better understand the best place to run an event): https://graphcommons.com/graphs/d6693b08-a025-439d-a813-d508f40c838b
Hey, was mostly a quick mock up to get clarity. Here it is slightly more tuned. Not sure if you want vflorida and vToronto on there but from my understanding they could become something..? Let me know if anyone has any edits before wanting to put it up.
Replied to a thread: 2017-12-11 13:00:55
If so, was wondering how you would feel about putting it on graphcommons as a collaborative resource. By way of example, @lizbarry and I were playing with it as a way to track who was from where in `#general-en` channel (so we could better understand the best place to run an event): https://graphcommons.com/graphs/d6693b08-a025-439d-a813-d508f40c838b
Hey, was mostly a quick mock up to get clarity. Here it is slightly more tuned. Not sure if you want vflorida and vToronto on there but from my understanding they could become something..? Let me know if anyone has any edits before wanting to put it up.
@patcon (here it is, can’t seem to attach files to thread replies… unless i am missing something?)
ok, here's a demo of how we could use trello to be a bit of a dashboard for our regularly-access resources and the tasks that come out of meetings: https://trello.com/b/ZzxRte37/g0vnetwork-task-tracker
(in theory, starting with the readme should allow someone to generally understand what's up)
(in theory, starting with the readme should allow someone to generally understand what's up)
@davehackett1 when's you segment on wesnday, anyhow? (Just to help with deadlines)
i think 1pm ET
it's noon actually
exciting! post links so we can tune in
<!here> do y'all agree that this important to get done for wednesday? https://trello.com/c/vzkc0agI/35-prepare-code-of-conduct
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i think i'll probably just show up
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i think 1pm ET
not bad idea
2017-12-12
i have ticket so wil see ya there.
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it's noon actually
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2017-12-13
exciting! post links so we can tune in
i cancelled my flight…rebooking
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@devin <!here> did we get a mailing list set up for tomorrow's call? If we did create a mailchimp account, might you be able to invite me? re: https://trello.com/c/IStWwYkZ/34-prepare-to-allow-a-mailing-list
Trello
in To Do on g0v.network: Task Tracker
Do we have a general email inbox for shared accounts like this Mailchimp? If not I can create one for now at vnetwork@sarapis.org.
I have a NameCheap-powered reseller account so if you want to point it there I can get you a Cpanel with all the goodies: one-click installs of WordPress etc, email addresses, DNS management, etc.
If you want to use it point the nameservers to:
ns1.nyctechshed.com
ns2.nyctechshed.com
If you want to use it point the nameservers to:
ns1.nyctechshed.com
ns2.nyctechshed.com
This is in preparation for Dave Hackett's radio show, which he was planning to mention a way to follow the project.
mailchimp is set up
credentials sent to patcon
cool! i've lost track, but i thought we also had a composites collective shared inbox?
probably best to move it the network stuff
I just talked to a nice radio host who is feeling peppy thanks to the senate seat win the next state over. It's a little community radio station, it'll be on facebook live: https://www.facebook.com/NolaWMNF/. Does anyone have points they want me to make? happy to talk with anyone beforehand
@lizbarry I just listened to your radio show this morning. Nice work!!! You are so clear 🙂
thanks @devin! what if i just redirect the domain to a mailchimp splash page for the radio broadcast?
https://mailchimp.com/features/landing-pages/
(i had been gearing toward creating a minimal jekyll website -- and that should have been floated first, so my bad -- but happy to discuss other things like wordpress -- just maybe no time right now?)
https://mailchimp.com/features/landing-pages/
(i had been gearing toward creating a minimal jekyll website -- and that should have been floated first, so my bad -- but happy to discuss other things like wordpress -- just maybe no time right now?)
dammit!
I was trying to set up redirects for g0v.network, but it's doing a lame thing and adding a trailing slash that confuses mailchimp. And I have a meeting from now until noon..!
scratch that, went to postpone that, and he had already sent an email about doing the same. so I'm going to stick around and get this sorted
🏃 go team go!
2017-12-14
haha ok, so it's the worst, but at least something is up:
http://g0v.network/
hosted here on github pages, if anyone wants to help pretty it up:
https://github.com/g0v-network/g0v.network
http://g0v.network/
hosted here on github pages, if anyone wants to help pretty it up:
https://github.com/g0v-network/g0v.network
GitHub
Contribute to g0v.network development by creating an account on GitHub.
sadly, when embedding, we lose the inline help text from here:
https://https://sarapis.us17.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=857b4fb8bd6943ccf714c2bae&id=f5dab6bf9d
https://https://sarapis.us17.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=857b4fb8bd6943ccf714c2bae&id=f5dab6bf9d
It looks good, simple. One thing i suggest is making check boxes rather than discrete answers… i that possible?
Or what’s the action out of the answers?
Are we sending them to 3 places based on their selection or are we just curious?
ah good call. the would be destructive after launch, so good catch
while there are already a million ways to create forms, you've just made me realize that a perk of airtable is that it allows changing form input elements without obliterating the underlying data:
https://support.airtable.com/hc/en-us/articles/206058268-Guide-to-forms
cc: @devin (any experience using airtable for signup forms? seem like a good idea or bad?)
https://support.airtable.com/hc/en-us/articles/206058268-Guide-to-forms
cc: @devin (any experience using airtable for signup forms? seem like a good idea or bad?)
Airtable - Support
Airtable forms let you collect information from anyone and save it automatically to an Airtable base. They're perfect for logging expenses, collecting RSVPs, creating polls and quizzes, collecting ...
airtable forms rock :]
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also, i need to speak my love of goofy-grin square bracket smiley man aloud. i don't do that enough. he is great
haha square grinning is just a bit smirkier and more fun.
@devin also, would you be able to invite me to the airtable team? just my reg old email, but will DM
also, i need to speak my love of goofy-grin square bracket smiley man aloud. i don't do that enough. he is great
haha square grinning is just a bit smirkier and more fun.
i’ll see if i can help on inviting you one sec
@patcon
dm me your email @patcon
Hm @devin is a person a facet or an entity? 😉
@patcon (@devin’s gonna be in transit today, so might need to make do w out him) i am tempted to create a separate base for community management, thoughts?
or just another column…
probably best to move it the network stuff
i'm leaning toward just one base until we actually get close to some limit? seems easy to adjust later, since it's just tabular data?
sounds good
but i've only used airtable in one org, and not much myself, so i don't know much!
Ok i can whip up the form quickly now
Airtable
Fill out the "Subscribe to our g0v mailing list" form quickly and securely on Airtable.
so this might be about a 20 minute convo, i'll have this channel open if anyone feels compelled to write in something for me to try to say. i might be reading it or might not 😛
actually i will be pretending that no one is listening
have fun :]
ok, moved to using airtables forms, because they embed waaaaaay nicer, and @katehnicholson got the select option to work way better
we can perhaps set up mailchimp integration later, or even migrate back if mailchimp seems better after more convo
(it’s all airtable 🙌)
gov.network
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oops. minor heart attack there
ok, clearly needs some metadata. i'll work on that
@katehnicholson mind if we call it a vNetwork mailing list? i admit that i worry about conflating the faciltiation sub-project with g0v, which is muuuuuch larger. the domain already makes it confusing, but would be cool to counter that in the copy. (just my 2c)
sure, i have less of a say on this i think as not as familiar
k thx 🙂 i added a description too. might be too much info though, so feel free to push back.
also, mind if i change the background to match the g0v red: http://g0v.asia/
sure sure
kudos on the airtable. 🙂
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was there conscious convo on first and last name? i noticed that mailchimp, who prob does a lot of research on ux and trade-offs, defaults to asking both\
adding tables to meet needs is a godo approach
the columns that are already there is for a knowledgebase - tools/techniques documentation ala base.recola.org
ah, now i see the site. very nice.
I thought i recalled someone in our meeting say 1 name.
It is nice to be able to say Hi “kate” vs Hi KAte nicholson
adding additional tables from CRM-style stuff is fine for now - though in the future we might want to have the knowledgebase be public and the CRM stuff not
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but we can seperate them later
I wouldn't worry about first/last name until we have over 1000 contacts. Until then it's pretty easy to parse them.
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Good pattern from the article. will update:
https://imgur.com/9bWGLrr
https://imgur.com/9bWGLrr
ah, now i see the site. very nice.
<!here> is the current g0v.network site with the logo as the background image painful? (also, is there a way to select just a solid color, or were you clever and uploaded a teal image @katehnicholson?)
haha. nice catch. yes i uploaded an image. Uhm.. it hurts a little. let me see if i can do something.
is that the red?
Haha aw thanks. They seek to use more subtle reds on buttons at vtaiwan.tw, but that is one red
oops. sorry. g0v.tw #D95C5C
haha.
red, red. potato potato. kay just a sec let me see.
okay i changed it up. feedback welcome.
looks awesome! solid/gradient background works so much better than white
i might be crazy, but there's maybe a slight tilt to the letters that shows up in my view due to the edges of the window acting as a level, but it's minor (if it's in fact real at all!):
https://imgur.com/g6Sx5UP
https://imgur.com/g6Sx5UP
if you felt like dropping the PSD (or whatever format) into the gdrive, I'd be happy to confirm 🙂
real talk. thanks for that catch!
@patcon link the gdrive? i’ll put things there. it’s illustrator, apologies in advance for the proprietarity.
🕵️ refreshed. better?
you're awesome. looks great 🎉 thanks @katehnicholson!
and gdrive is linked from here: https://trello.com/c/6Uh6VnNp/12-google-drive
feel free to add whatever folders you need
feel free to add whatever folders you need
if we're looking for people to join in leadership and organizer capacity, should we add a section about accepting a code of conduct? https://github.com/g0v-network/overview/blob/master/CONDUCT.md
related: i will admit that i have wonderings and thoughts on certain language choices we might make, and where we should use them... i feel that certain language choices are markers that can be desirable (eg. signalling the sorts of leaders we want to welcome and have step forward) or undesirable (eg. alienating certain stakeholders in community conversations in which we instead want the barest minimum of reasons for them think "oh, this isn't for me")
like if we, through language, signal affiliations with certain ideologies early (and there's nothing wrong with ideologies... we all have them!), we might -- for example -- have no trump supporters represented in a consultation. imho this would be bad, and would work against legitimacy of the process
curious to discuss the above in person. sorry if it's coming across poorly in text :slightly_smiling_face:
like if we, through language, signal affiliations with certain ideologies early (and there's nothing wrong with ideologies... we all have them!), we might -- for example -- have no trump supporters represented in a consultation. imho this would be bad, and would work against legitimacy of the process
curious to discuss the above in person. sorry if it's coming across poorly in text :slightly_smiling_face:
thanks for setting up the website! i got to say it and spell it out twice
yay!
Good pattern from the article. will update:
https://imgur.com/9bWGLrr
https://imgur.com/9bWGLrr
Imgur 
haha. nice catch. yes i uploaded an image. Uhm.. it hurts a little. let me see if i can do something.
is that the red?
Haha aw thanks. They seek to use more subtle reds on buttons at vtaiwan.tw, but that is one red
oops. sorry. g0v.tw #D95C5C
haha.
red, red. potato potato. kay just a sec let me see.
okay i changed it up. feedback welcome.
looks awesome! solid/gradient background works so much better than white
i might be crazy, but there's maybe a slight tilt to the letters that shows up in my view due to the edges of the window acting as a level, but it's minor (if it's in fact real at all!):
https://imgur.com/g6Sx5UP
https://imgur.com/g6Sx5UP
if you felt like dropping the PSD (or whatever format) into the gdrive, I'd be happy to confirm 🙂
real talk. thanks for that catch!
damn, also, cities aren’t always unique!
@lizbarry how did the radio show go? will you share link? i didn’t catch yet.
@patcon link the gdrive? i’ll put things there. it’s illustrator, apologies in advance for the proprietarity.
It went fine and we had a good time. Dave was there as a guest as well, very articulate. I said some things. I think I made all our points, only ad libbed a few times and said & spelled g0v.network twice.
I don't have a link other than their Facebook page where he said it was going to be Facebook live (?)
We should record our own statements and have them up, I know just the media team
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🕵️ refreshed. better?
Very cool, well done. I will look for the fb live
you're awesome. looks great 🎉 thanks @katehnicholson!
and gdrive is linked from here: https://trello.com/c/6Uh6VnNp/12-google-drive
feel free to add whatever folders you need
feel free to add whatever folders you need
g0v.network - Public ├── Events/ -- hosting/speaking ├── Resources/ -- └── List of Privileged Resources --
🎉
@lizbarry from last meeting notes:
> monthly after work group of NYC’s municipal urban designers have asked Liz (who has widened the invite) to discuss facilitation (for 2018)
these folks? https://urbandesignforum.org/review/2017-class-of-forefront-fellows/
I don't know if we got to it, but is there something there we could convert into action item to followup on, or just informational?
> monthly after work group of NYC’s municipal urban designers have asked Liz (who has widened the invite) to discuss facilitation (for 2018)
these folks? https://urbandesignforum.org/review/2017-class-of-forefront-fellows/
I don't know if we got to it, but is there something there we could convert into action item to followup on, or just informational?
Urban Design Forum
We are thrilled to announce our second class of Forefront Fellows. The Forefront Fellowship promotes the next generation of urban leaders. The cohort will gather monthly, share work, and debate critical issues facing immigrant communities in New York City.
<!here> oh hey! found the radio show! http://www.wmnf.org/events/midpoint-with-wmnf-news-wednesday/
Added it to a new "Press" resource card on Trello, which we could use for tracking stuff like this:
https://trello.com/c/uXzumMUB/45-press
Added it to a new "Press" resource card on Trello, which we could use for tracking stuff like this:
https://trello.com/c/uXzumMUB/45-press
WMNF
In-depth state and local coverage, plus national and international perspectives. Everyday Ethics discussion leads off the show.
could prob use airtable for this tracking too, and just link to a public view of that 🙂
just listening now. love the shout-out to the inclusion of "the undocumented" when using the word "citizens" ❤️
@patcon hope aboard the Airtable wagon 🚂🚂🚂
Hops*
Thanks for sharing.
choooooo etc
no problemo. still listening, but you're nailing it, @lizbarry!
Oh golly, let's all record one -- a mashup of cuts of all of us talking and make it on our website
about to start listening!
it’ll go well with painting and packing
could prob use airtable for this tracking too, and just link to a public view of that 🙂
just listening now. love the shout-out to the inclusion of "the undocumented" when using the word "citizens" ❤️
@patcon hope aboard the Airtable wagon 🚂🚂🚂
Hops*
Thanks for sharing.
choooooo etc
no problemo. still listening, but you're nailing it, @lizbarry!
Oh golly, let's all record one -- a mashup of cuts of all of us talking and make it on our website
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Link here: <https://trello.com/c/uXzumMUB/45-press>
ooo listening to the show
about to start listening!
it’ll go well with painting and packing
Well I'm all ears for how to do it better next time, hope I didn't miss anything up too bad, and also like I chatted into the thread we should make our own !
Do we have a list of English language articles/content about vTaiwan anywhere?
Not that I know of...there's that Nesta piece, stuff from Theo Bass...and the report they just issued at the summit Darshana and CS went to
Seems like a good place to start. If you post links I'll add them to the AirTable.
@devin KnowleeeeeeeedgeBAAAAAAAAASSSSE!!!
Ya - I added the Radio and Civicst to the Resources setion of the AirTable.
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Resources can accommodate Press. Less tables = deeper connections. So I moved the Radio interview from Press to Resources.
Oh wait, I misunderstood. Just realised. Sounds good to me. Would a flag to say "this is us" make sense?
I'm using "Entities" on "Resources" as the Publisher - which automatically generates an Entity on that table.
Like I was just about to go in and add more stuff related to vtaiwan, but it won't have been by us. Like whiteppaers and stuff
There is a multiselect on resources you can use to tag items with whatever you like
OK, I'll play around. The!
I used that tag for "Press"
but it could go deeper.
One way to do that is by associating the "Entity" with *us* as opposed to the individual resource
@devin thoughts on adding a field for a direct link to raw/saved assets? I don't trust that audio link not to die when WFMN redesigns their site or whatevs (the internet sucks)
Sure - we could also add the MP3 as an attachment
yeah, sure! if that doesn't fuck with our free-tier limits too much. alternatively, happy to use gdrive too
Lets not worry about free tier until we have too. Lots of ways to exit AirTable.
If we want to go all the way we should add PDFs for all articles as well
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yeah, sure! if that doesn't fuck with our free-tier limits too much. alternatively, happy to use gdrive too
Lets not worry about free tier until we have too. Lots of ways to exit AirTable.
@devin do you have resources on spain methods?
I have many pages notes from convos w yago and Miguel that I never wrote uppp..,.
oooooooo i could scan them and we can start there 🙂
unless you feel like typing it up. i’m really interested. from what i’ve learned through youtube videos they have accomplished some things vtaiwan hasn’t—much more publicly known and they meet people where they are at—steets, plazas, offices in neighborhoods.
granted, i think the public canning issue is probably huge step and media op for vtaiwan.
ok i have one tiny notebook full of handwriting from talking with Yago in person, and one google doc from a long interview with Miguel.
Would you be okay sharing the google doc?
oooooooo i could scan them and we can start there 🙂
unless you feel like typing it up. i’m really interested. from what i’ve learned through youtube videos they have accomplished some things vtaiwan hasn’t—much more publicly known and they meet people where they are at—steets, plazas, offices in neighborhoods.
granted, i think the public canning issue is probably huge step and media op for vtaiwan.
@davehackett1 Enjoying your thoughts on the podcast. Thanks for tapping @lizbarry. Stay tuned to Civicist this week. @darshana and I are publishing another piece from our research trip to Taiwan.
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@itsmisscs <!here> rename this to #vnetwork: yay or nay?
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i thought we were going to keep our own city channel and create a new one for vnetwork
oh! i thought there was something about renaming, but i'll jsut creat another
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@canadian_aaron has joined the channel
Yes please we should say something about net neutrality here at this 11th hour; time berners Lee "no more permissionless space for innovation"
I also have an idea that's a cross between a FAQ and "speakers bureau-ifying" ourselves : we make a list of frequently asked questions, and put them on our website. We also hold round robin question answering practice sessions among ourselves. In this we we can know we can all speak on the topic, and as new gigs come up we rotate who speaks. Perhaps if there are domains that we have prior experience in we can choose certain people who can speak to that (for me, for instance that's science participation and urban design)
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maybe this was a weird idea nevermind?
I think it's a nice idea but overkill for now. IMHO you're great at promoting g0v so do it as best you can without worrying too much about being "the expert". If/when the flood of interest comes and lots of opportunities emerge for sharing expertise, we'll be ready with deep resources and a "nobody" ethic that allows many people to "share the wealth" and attention.
先承認你就是沒有人
A/V geeks - i found a $77 360 camera recommended on a gift site https://thewirecutter.com/deals/#deal-31603
omg wirecutter is so much more than a gift site. It's my fave.
2017-12-15
ooo
EXTREMELY GREAT TRAVELOGUE https://civichall.org/civicist/two-weeks-in-taipei/
Civic Hall
It matters what ideas we use to think ideas. It matters what thoughts think thoughts. It matters what knowledges know knowledges. It matters what relations relate relations. It matters what worlds world worlds. It matters what stories tell stories. —Donna Haraway It matters what experiments we use to experiment. Society and technology have undergone significant …
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thank you, liz ❤️
i am so excited to read this while waiting for laundry
maybe this was a weird idea nevermind?
ok i have one tiny notebook full of handwriting from talking with Yago in person, and one google doc from a long interview with Miguel.
thank you, liz ❤️
i am so excited to read this while waiting for laundry
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Can’t wait to read!
I think it's a nice idea but overkill for now. IMHO you're great at promoting g0v so do it as best you can without worrying too much about being "the expert". If/when the flood of interest comes and lots of opportunities emerge for sharing expertise, we'll be ready with deep resources and a "nobody" ethic that allows many people to "share the wealth" and attention.
先承認你就是沒有人
omg wirecutter is so much more than a gift site. It's my fave.
looking forward to seeing people tonight at democracy.earth where i'm going to just work my "waitlist" spot into admission.
report back!
also, tomorrow after **4pm** all are invited to come by the New Lab to see a demo by Brendan who i've been working with on "environmental data justice" -- a bunch of people working on an IPFS project
so, anyone who needs cheering up over loss of net neutrality in the US, come hang out in the stirrings of the d-web @itsmisscs @darshana @katehnicholson @devin
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FYI: I'm in SF til Monday, then LA til Jan 15thish. If there's anyone I should meet in these locals lemme know.
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@jessykate and @planspark are in #general-en and in the SF-ish area according to https://graphcommons.com/graphs/d6693b08-a025-439d-a813-d508f40c838b 👋
yay @lizbarry i’l see you in a bit, may be a tad late.
ps <!here> does anyone know if marketplace health insurance sign up in NY ends at midnight tonight or midnight tomorrow night??
tomorrow
if i go with the example of tax day, i think 15 last day
@thebestsophist thanks!
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@jessykate and @planspark are in #general-en and in the SF-ish area according to https://graphcommons.com/graphs/d6693b08-a025-439d-a813-d508f40c838b 👋
Ok @katehnicholson I'm standing against the back wall , far right. Near Leah
report back!
I’m en route will find you
Made it, streamed en route I love the future.
Shall we practice a social experiment of circles of trust?
Liquid democracy would take.....practice. let's make a game that large groups of people can do at the park. It can be silly, like voting on cats vs dogs
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I love big games.
^^ example of a game i made w some friends
wow awesome! could you post a link to this eviction game on this other game about eviction that activists made in Beijing? https://publiclab.org/notes/shanlter/12-04-2017/folding-beijing-a-board-game-based-on-beijing-eviction-action (sorry requires making account but it's quick)
Oh hey, didnt know ppl here were into game design. This is also a directory that might be worth adding to (have been poking them to open source the website code so that I feel better sending ppl to contribute, but its an eLab project, so I'm sure they'll eventually do it) :)
http://gamesforcities.com
http://gamesforcities.com
Been trying to connect CivicTech Toronto with the local board game design community -- a guy i know was part of starting the first cafe in north america back a few years ago, so the indie community is pretty big here...!
wow!
@patcon sweet resources . Cool I’ll need to clean up the doc maybe, could use some edits. Then will link to both your suggested places. @lizbarry
I have a few other games. One is a rap game which is kinda fun. Maybe we can play one day.
cool - added gamesforcities to the AirTable
Also - kudos to whomever for adding all those resources. 🙂
i would be totally psyched if our large scale facilitation included public games. not gonna be lead on that, but i do love a massive participatory spectacle (giant inflatable structures floating in the sky, a thousand people at a "Talk To Me" party, etc).
2017-12-16
wow awesome! could you post a link to this eviction game on this other game about eviction that activists made in Beijing? https://publiclab.org/notes/shanlter/12-04-2017/folding-beijing-a-board-game-based-on-beijing-eviction-action (sorry requires making account but it's quick)
publiclab.org
In this year's Barnraising, @Matej, @kgradow1, Tony and I were making a board game about resident...
Oh hey, didnt know ppl here were into game design. This is also a directory that might be worth adding to (have been poking them to open source the website code so that I feel better sending ppl to contribute, but its an eLab project, so I'm sure they'll eventually do it) :)
http://gamesforcities.com
http://gamesforcities.com
gamesforcities.com
GAMES FOR CITIES explores how gaming improves city-making. Through a series of public events, it aims to document, network, and promote the emerging field of City-Gaming. The program is initiated by Play the City and generously supported by Creative Industries Fund NL.
Been trying to connect CivicTech Toronto with the local board game design community -- a guy i know was part of starting the first cafe in north america back a few years ago, so the indie community is pretty big here...!
wow!
anyone is welcome to come by today 4pm to the New Lab -- we can help you set up IPFS nodes and play with an alpha browser for data hosted on the decentralized web. @katehnicholson @itsmisscs @darshana
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@patcon sweet resources . Cool I’ll need to clean up the doc maybe, could use some edits. Then will link to both your suggested places. @lizbarry
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I have a few other games. One is a rap game which is kinda fun. Maybe we can play one day.
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I’d love to but after an intense week of running around and preparation for travel, I’m beat. Up in Harlem remembering what it is like to work from cozy cafes.
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I fly out tonight. Will see y’all in a couple weeks ❤️
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Ah sounds like fun. I got holiday and birthday parties, don’t think I can squeeze it. I’d love to stop by another one though.
@itsmisscs favorite Harlem cozy cafe?
happy travels.
happy travels.
I was trying some new ones. I think my fav is still https://www.yelp.com/biz/manhattanville-coffee-new-york-4. Made for remote working. I enjoyed Lenox Coffee shop, but it’s one of those 2hour limit wifi places (luckily someone left their code on a table and it worked).
cool - added gamesforcities to the AirTable
Also - kudos to whomever for adding all those resources. 🙂
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i would be totally psyched if our large scale facilitation included public games. not gonna be lead on that, but i do love a massive participatory spectacle (giant inflatable structures floating in the sky, a thousand people at a "Talk To Me" party, etc).
Would you be okay sharing the google doc?
2017-12-17
@lizbarry I just listened to your radio show this morning. Nice work!!! You are so clear 🙂
hey some of my favorite, largest open community organizers just referenced me this https://opensource.com/open-organization/resources/workbook
Opensource.com
Organizations that embrace cultures of openness are more agile, accountable, and innovative. But how exactly can we build them?
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hey guys, Amy Zhang of "wikum" reached out about https://meedan.com/credibility-coalition/
meedan.com
Credibility Coalition: A diverse, interdisciplinary community committed to building better standards for credibility on the web.
2017-12-18
@darshana @lizbarry how was the event yesterday?
such an excellent panel! Think there was livestreaming..
Liz, Ahmed, Amy and I had a few drinks and rowdy chats after 😉
how lovely that the worlds collided. i will find the livestream. i was out early yesterday
I was trying some new ones. I think my fav is still https://www.yelp.com/biz/manhattanville-coffee-new-york-4. Made for remote working. I enjoyed Lenox Coffee shop, but it’s one of those 2hour limit wifi places (luckily someone left their code on a table and it worked).
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such an excellent panel! Think there was livestreaming..
Liz, Ahmed, Amy and I had a few drinks and rowdy chats after 😉
how lovely that the worlds collided. i will find the livestream. i was out early yesterday
ThoughtCo
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Current top name pick: Citizens demand Change…CdC aka Coup de Council (for those in the know)
Current top name pick: Citizens demand Change…CdC aka Coup de Council (for those in the know)
Did folks know about https://www.regulations.gov?
> The vision of the eRulemaking Program is to enable the public ease of access to participate in a high quality, efficient, and open rulemaking process.
yeah 18F overhauled that. also see https://epa-notice.usa.gov/ and https://eregs.github.io/
nice! they need to point old url to these new ones!
much better. ty @lizbarry
It comes out of the EPA
cool! haven't seen the website, but read some papers that I think audrey mentioned in a slide deck:
http://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1012&context=ceri
http://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1178&context=facpub
http://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1013&context=ceri
(they are SUPER interesting. and you just made me realize they should totally be in our knowledgebase!)
https://trello.com/c/BJovztkf/48-knowledge-base-aka-airtable
http://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1012&context=ceri
http://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1178&context=facpub
http://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1013&context=ceri
(they are SUPER interesting. and you just made me realize they should totally be in our knowledgebase!)
https://trello.com/c/BJovztkf/48-knowledge-base-aka-airtable
2017-12-19
yeah 18F overhauled that. also see https://epa-notice.usa.gov/ and https://eregs.github.io/
2017-12-20
nice! they need to point old url to these new ones!
much better. ty @lizbarry
2017-12-30
> East Side Access tunnel, which will connect Grand Central Terminal in Manhattan with the Long Island Rail Road. The project’s costs have ballooned to nearly $3.5 billion for each new mile of track.
The New York Times
How excessive staffing, little competition, generous contracts and archaic rules dramatically inflate capital costs for transit in New York.
saw this! So crazy
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2017-12-31
Hi friends, @darshana and I are publishing a couple of our talks as long form articles via Medium. We’d love some additional eyes before we put these out. Here’s the first one: https://medium.com/p/a3977d620af8/edit
because of rising AMIs, HDFC restrictions are changing 😕
Great idea!