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Month: 2017-12

2017-12-01

2017-12-05

devin 07:44:44
Hi. I'll be in California Dec 13-Jan 13(ish), so if you want to meet up in-person before the year ends, talk strategy, etc, we should plan something.
I’m also going to be out during this time.
Should we plan something on the calendar for 10th or 11th?
katenicholson 2017-12-06 03:27:06
Either evening could work for me.
if do remote, weekend works as well
I will be up for that. Right now, Sunday 10th is the front runner. Does that work?
@lizbarry ^^ what time on Sunday were you thinking?
Oh wow. Responses! Missed them. Yes the 10th works for me.
we’re thinking of starting at 2pm meeting at Orbital. Will post agenda tomorrow. Please feel free to come for all or the parts that interest you.
katenicholson 08:05:36
@katehnicholson has joined the channel
devin 09:24:18
Everyone, meet Kate! She helped with my campaign and is a big participatory democracy fan.
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patcon 09:55:00
hiya Kate! Nice to meet you!
patcon 09:56:42
@darshana @itsmisscs @lizbarry here's a shared gdrive: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1502DmThbT3o-J-iHqX9H8XbsdEdActXx

in-progress rightscon panel doc in there. due at midnight
due 11:59 pacific.
lizbarry 10:05:55
Hey I'm view only on that
itsmisscs 10:10:38
@patcon me too! can you change link perms?
patcon 10:12:36
WORLD WRITABLE 4EVAR
patcon 10:12:56
done.
patcon 10:13:03
maybe we can rethink that later..? not sure
patcon 10:14:37
ok, thinking we could write it as someone from Composite Collective just to fit their rubric of one person submission (?)
patcon 10:15:55
but had me thinking about a question for later -- should we de-emphasize composite collective going forward? like should it just be like an LLC that some people use to get paid? I wonder whether it confuses and distracts from what g0v is trying to be over here -- i'm wondering whether CC might seem like a sub-club, maybe, and a confusingly ambiguous "we" that isn't as inclusive
patcon 10:16:06
soooo maybe we should just say our affiliation is g0v?
itsmisscs 10:21:10
they don’t know who g0v is
itsmisscs 10:21:29
I’ve been poking through the speakers from last year
patcon 10:22:28
yay, we're indie!
patcon 10:22:40
is poking through guidelines to choose best format
itsmisscs 10:22:41
i think the g0v angle would be great at tictec, i feel this crowd the focus needs to be on conversation technology (f2f) and its impact/potential to transform gov
lizbarry 10:22:59
"Civic Tech, Citizenship, and E-Governance" bucket?
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itsmisscs 10:23:15
that sounds good
katenicholson 10:23:40
Thanks @devin! Hii <!channel> great to join the group 👋😀
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patcon 10:24:25
oh wait, what about "The State of Global Civil Society". i know some ppl have reaction to "civic tech".
patcon 10:25:19
meh. i guess this is all just a guess. could fall under a few 🙂 civic tech it is!
patcon 10:27:48
are we going to try to wrangle more than 60 minutes somehow? i'm feeling a little dissonance about how we were talking about this before, and what the timeslot might impose. so how does this translate? is it just like a short orientation of how citizen facilitation works?
itsmisscs 10:29:02
@darshana and i cannot fathom doing a rights con proposal and not an event in nyc. in that case, i see it as a big of a run through? still record it but maybe tailor the workshop
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itsmisscs 10:29:23
i don’t think we could run through all the training in 60-75 min, right @lizbarry?
itsmisscs 10:29:43
i like idea of orientation but also want folks to go away with something
lizbarry 10:30:06
"Orientation to newly filmed and translated materials"
would nyc come first or after?
What is the NYC vision? The inflatable in McCarren park? 🎈🎈🎈🎈🎈🎈🎈🎈🎈
I think it's whatever we can make happen
What do you want?
i guess it depends on what they are available for
patcon 10:31:00
(Like!) So might it be framed as like an intro to a kit/package/course, where we invite participants to investigate/organize trainings in their local communities?
patcon 10:36:33
fwiw, a group in toronto raised $30,000 on kickstarter and build a kit to help people run grassroots municipal campaigns. I was thinkin about that with the "kit" mention:
https://www.democracykit.org/orientation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WmWkpm1HJ8

DemocracyKit | Open Democracy Project

Orientation @DemocracyKit

Complete the @DemocracyKit orientation. Open politics from the ground up.

YouTube

DemocracyKit | Powerful campaign tools for civic leaders.

patcon 10:37:38
happy to park that thought though. just thought it might be relevant to framing shorter talks around this thing we're trying to organize 🙂
itsmisscs 10:39:27
taking a look
lizbarry 10:42:47
Hope that me writing fast as this plane taxis isn't putting anyone off! I ideate proposals fast then clean then up
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lizbarry 10:45:26
My use of the pronoun we is very collective minded
itsmisscs 10:47:34
@patcon i’m curious how this goes tomorrow! pls report back https://www.meetup.com/Civic-Tech-Toronto/events/244699684/

Meetup

Civic Tech Toronto hacknight #121 with Quayside community brainstorm

12/5, 7:00 PM: A civic tech community brainstormWe&amp;#39;ve seen a lot of excitement -- and some concern -- about the Waterfront Toronto + Sidewalk Labs project (<http://sidewalktoronto.ca>) at Quayside.

i was hoping to shim some pol.is reflective phase exercises in, but its so little tiiiiiime
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itsmisscs 11:08:06
> Finally, while competition is steep and you should put your best foot forward, remember your submission doesn’t need to be set in stone on the first go! Think of this as your concept note. If accepted, we’ll work with you to fine tune your session for the greatest impact.
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itsmisscs 11:08:13
https://www.accessnow.org/rightscon-2018-5-reasons-lead-session/

Access Now

The rundown on RightsCon: 5 reasons why you should lead a session (and how to do it) - Access Now

We want you at RightsCon Toronto on May 16-18! Here's how to prepare and submit a session proposal.

lizbarry 11:30:01
alright i did a bunch of edits. Does someone think they can do the final pass?
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lizbarry 12:20:50
Ok just chatted with @patcon -- I am handing the baton off. .. to whom? Who will actually submit?
patcon 12:35:55
@itsmisscs and/or @darshana wanna do a call and just get this submitted in draft form?
patcon 13:50:00
done and done! thanks for provoking the last minute submission blitz, @itsmisscs!
patcon 14:46:21
should we officially invite audrey using wiselike.tw? I feel like that's a public place that she would appreciate: https://wiselike.tw/#/user/audreyt

2017-12-06

katenicholson 03:26:38
Nice work-- have sifted through the channels, my interest is piqued. Would love to get together for quick run down / hello.
Hai 👋🏾 thrilled to hear. we’re tentatively thinking about a get together to discuss facilitation project plans and some other topics the second half of sunday. would you want to join either IRL or remote?
ps. excited to meet and talk and say hello
katenicholson 2017-12-07 09:13:21
🙃 Looking forward to it too. Yep, Sunday should work for me.
katenicholson 2017-12-07 09:13:31
I’m down with real life if you’re planning that.
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patcon 14:54:26
Relevant tweet: https://twitter.com/heif/status/937735980177649664

twitter

Obama: "I'm very interested in how online communities can move offline. How this incredible power to convene through hashtags [etc] eventually leads to people meeting each other and talking to each other" <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWE8HUjYf8Q&amp;feature=youtu.be&amp;t=28m34s>

katenicholson 2017-12-07 02:48:01
I wonder what Obama thinks of WeWork buying MeetUp 😬 https://venturebeat.com/2017/11/28/wework-acquires-meetup/
yeah, i feel ya. i'm hoping this kicks the tech-capable communities on that platform to start building more open alternatives. wework might be decent stewards in the near future, but i'm still uncomfortable with what feels like a vertical market grab 😕
katenicholson 2017-12-07 13:23:26
I like that thought. And I guess i’m not actually too disgruntled :] — the intentions are def worthwhile, and my view of WeWork is pretty NYC-centric— it’s less loathsome in places where workspace open to anyone is hard to come by. so yeah, :raised_hands: let the people bump into each other in work and meeting up.
patcon 14:59:21
anyone else on this google group? (just applied to join, but not sure what it entails!)
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/vtaiwan

2017-12-07

patcon 08:58:36

anyone here familiar with SDD? Might it have informed any part of vTaiwan architecting? <http://ncdd.org/rc/item/2884>

2017-12-08

itsmisscs 06:21:38
anyone know of https://sovrin.org/?

Sovrin

Home - Sovrin

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itsmisscs 06:21:52
LOL what a lovely site meta description they have there
patcon 06:57:13
LOL I don't know why but i find that way too funny
ME TOO!
itsmisscs 08:14:40
Join in! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJhzGVFqjwE&feature=youtu.be

YouTube

The People's Roadmap; future of NYC's #civictech &amp; #opendata - MANHATTAN Edition

lol "freedom to internet"
can this be the livethread???
wooooo EFFECTIVE AND OPEN GOVERNMENT 🎉 🎉
@noneck I was trying to screencap the several moments of pure glee that you entered when you realized there was an extra 10 minutes, but my screencap software effed up 😢
@darshana livestream is GREAT! is there an other virtual spaces that I could tag along in, particularly once breakouts start? or might livestream keep going?
i would love to eavesdrop!
lol
I’m here
what do you want to know
@noneck😂 every community is smart
@patcon they don’t have cams for the breakouts, yet
i think the stream will stop and then pick back up.
would be so cool to get a livestream in a box setup
oh yeah
that will be cool
i’m curious how pdis and watchout record their events
people are engaged. which is great
nice way to reach out to internet society
lots of questions
that’s fantastic!
sounds that way. more than others
@darshanaare folks using slido?
More proactive people
no sli.do uptake though
either people don’t feel the need to use it or we are not explaining it right
is it up on a screen?
breakout time
👋🏾
katenicholson 2017-12-08 09:06:05
this is awesome. i’m a few minutes behind.
katenicholson 2017-12-08 09:06:11
sooo many questttions. lol. Jump in people! 🙃
me too. i'm behind, because i got distracted by a youtube video in the sidebar :facepalm:
katenicholson 2017-12-08 09:12:17
haha. i was distracted by a tea kettle i forgot about.
katenicholson 2017-12-08 09:12:51
will they be returning to the stream?
> would be so cool to get a livestream in a box setup

have the same need at civictechto. another friend does it, but she wants to make it more of a rotatable role, and figure out some good gear. def interested in connecting y'all on that if we wanna talk about some sort diy kit! 🙂
we played with https://restream.io/ for sending to all live services (twitter, fb, youtube) but ran into some glitches. worth revisiting though
> nice way to reach out to internet society

@itsmisscs like internetsociety.org? or just the term? :slightly_smiling_face:
> will they be returning to the stream?

@katehnicholson i think @darshana said they were
@katehnicholson yeah, after breakouts…so in 30-40.
@patcon yup, them 🙂
katenicholson 2017-12-08 09:19:01
@itsmisscs @patcon cool thanks
@patcon have you played with twitch?
@itsmisscs it seems like the thing most like livehouse.in, but since we weren't up to running such inclusive events (just working on livestreaming), haven't had a chance to dive in..!
they apparently allow non-gaming now? although their categories didn't quite fit vefore, so i wasn't clear if we were within the rules
ah, i don't think i read through these full docs before, but they're helpful for twitch:
- https://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/2176641-creative-faq
(reading now)
oops. wrong one. but the creative faq is hilarious

> *Q. Can I broadcast building furniture for my office?*
> A. Assembling office furniture is not allowed. However, if you are building out your broadcast studio or customizing furniture, feel free to use Twitch Creative.
gonna move twitch convo out of thread 😁
yup yup!
@darshana did it end?
itsmisscs 08:14:54
@darshana is facilitating
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patcon 08:48:30
can this be the livethread???
patcon 09:40:18
re: using twitch (from thread): https://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/2672652-irl-faq

I was thinking our category would be one of these:

- ~Creative~
- IRL
- Not Playing (not listed in any discoverable mode)
- Talk Show

Might be other options though
despite how it looks, talk shows apparently don't need to be about gaming...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/5l17yy/what_are_the_rules_for_talk_shows_on_twitch/
man, it'd be fun to livestream a VR work session if we figure out how to work on our projects in that environment 😉
like notch, but with consultation processes...! that would make me soooo focussed and productive
katenicholson 2017-12-08 09:46:06
@patcon Like we could be roaming around the room right now tapping peoples shoulders and joint the sessions?
katenicholson 2017-12-08 09:46:12
Joining *
omg, i wasn't even thinking about how this could revolutionize hallway testing for designing consultation experiences...!
(aside) re: twitch. 3d modelling might be a place we could work on twitch for certain types of work on this...
https://www.twitch.tv/communities/3dmodeling/details
katenicholson 2017-12-08 09:51:25
Haha. Dig it.
katenicholson 2017-12-08 09:54:18
Presenters could share 3D room models showing where sensors are stationed in key locations to roam to. Then people could put parallel sensors in their home or on a mountainside and just like participate whrever.
katenicholson 2017-12-08 09:54:54
I don’t really know what I’m talking about but, just to throw it out there.
haha no worries -- i'm figuring this out too
had a chance to use a VR setup yet? i feel like getting in there clarified soooooo much about how it might work in practice

as a group, maybe we could make effort to give everyone interested in these projects a "first go" with really nice gear, so we're all maximally equipped to start thinking on how VR could be put for these things we care about together!
katenicholson 2017-12-08 10:08:50
Ok, a bit more informed about twitch now having clicked the links. Useful.
katenicholson 2017-12-08 10:09:57
yeah I’ve seen/played a few VR things. I was going off on an AR tangent I think.
katenicholson 2017-12-08 10:10:27
Oh but no not a vr set up. I’ve just consumed content
patcon 10:13:50
twitch is going crazy over the game awards right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs5Ml7_2wT0

YouTube

The Game Awards 2017 - Official Livestream Today (4K)

itsmisscs 10:22:25
This wonderful dev in my community uses it to stream her open-source work
cool! do you think she'd be comfortable if you shared the link here or in private? it sounds way-fun
of course https://www.twitch.tv/noopkat. She’s written about it, too. Even has really cute illustrations
wow i’ve never watched these before. she’s great. also really amazing to see the engagement.
i'm officially on twitch! you have an account you'd be down to share?
https://www.twitch.tv/patcon__
katenicholson 2017-12-08 12:17:20
i just joined too. share fun things with me too please :] https://www.twitch.tv/thatsnothowabunnyhops
BEST. USERNAME. TODAY.
katenicholson 2017-12-08 12:17:56
hha
should we make a g0v community on twitch?
https://www.twitch.tv/communities/create
katenicholson 2017-12-08 12:19:25
sure, though looks like we need to wait 90 days
i actually dug up an account from last year that I forgot about, so I'm good!

But on second though, maybe it's better to figure how we might use twitch (if at all) before naming a community, though...

but lemme know if YOU want one, and I can help you skip the line 😛
katenicholson 2017-12-08 12:25:39
#desperateforcommunity 👽
katenicholson 2017-12-08 12:25:51
haha, yeah i think your thought is sound.
katenicholson 2017-12-08 12:26:09
let’s consider the purpose a sec
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patcon 16:03:32
wow. just to surface this again -- this seems REALLY worth reading. My impression is that vtaiwan is not related to it, but there are many similar threads (software facilitating consensus):
https://g0v-tw.slack.com/archives/C2Q1M4N1J/p1512608303000101

I just heard about *Structured Dialogic Design* (SDD)! Is anyone here familiar with it? Might it have informed any part of vTaiwan's architecture? <http://ncdd.org/rc/item/2884> <http://redesignresearch.com/docs/Laouris%20ABCs%20of%20SDD.pdf>

http://www.ideaprism.net/ (omg the website is the worst. emails me a password. has no data policy. not ssl on signup page. ugh)
i think we should start a library:
http://www.infoagepub.com/products/The-Talking-Point
this dude seems to be a respected practitioners of SDD, and he's worked with OCAD University's strategic foresight lab in Toronto, so that's nice: http://slab.ocadu.ca/community/jeff-diedrich
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO1NejVI-c4
katenicholson 2017-12-08 23:00:09
Cool. I’ve never come across SDD, but am largely unfamiliar w the software / science / theory world behind the design methods.

Sounds like an effective way to surface leverage points quickly. I Like the paired influence evaluations part a lot. Are you familiar w theory of change and general problem systems and ecosystems mapping? I’ve done of a bunch of that. I like how this SDD approach makes it easy to segue into that right from the discovery phase of issues through the influence evaluation. Think I will have to try t!
Yeah! The map/tree that SDD draws really reminded me of the theory of change graph we drew when I participated in a ToC exercise, but something seems maybe more elementary about the SDD way of developing it. More organic maybe?
katenicholson 2017-12-09 03:04:37
Yeah exactly. TOC has really confused me at times. Im super interested in the SDD method as a solution for that confusion. Thanks for sharing! A lot of these methodologies and artifacts can be so academic and isolated. It’s nice when they’re forumlated in a way that actaully flows with reality.
I copied over part of this conversation. Do y’all wanna copy pasta over your comments so they come from you on this thread http://soul.compositescollective.com/t/structured-dialogic-design-sdd-a-facilitaiton-method/149?
Cool! Maybe we could just link slackarchive.io for specific convo? Whichever works -- happy to copy over when I'm on desktop too!
not bad idea

2017-12-09

patcon 07:37:50
Thurs, Dec 14th! *Democracy.Earth event in NYC!*
https://twitter.com/DemocracyEarth/status/939140096976084992

(@virgile-dev, who we know from pol.is issue queue working on decid.im, is a democracy.earth member along with pia mancina and that crew)

twitter

Our tickets are about to sell out for NY’s Dec. 14 event with <https://twitter.com/crypto_nyc|@crypto_nyc> :smiley::comet: Get the last places available here :point_right: <http://goo.gl/zSPcnD>

Just got on waitlist
Aw rats. Would you pass on going if you don't get through that?
i think i'll probably just show up
itsmisscs 08:27:32
oh wow!
itsmisscs 08:27:34
so good!
itsmisscs 15:18:20
Wanna invite folks to signup, peruse, comment on http://soul.compositescollective.com/. It’s an open discourse instance (thanks PDIS for the inspiration). Feedback welcome.

soul.compositescollective.com

Composites Collective

Online collective commons

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patcon 15:54:59
Hm, this is all interesting. Hadn't heard of the blulu.tw thing:

- https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/luchiahua0515/20151209-blulu-part-1-deliberate-concept-web-applications-x-public-deliberation?ref=https://blulu.tw/
- https://ocf-tw.hackpad.com/Loomio-l8fikCsKHiG (transcript is great)

slideshare.net

20151209 Blulu - Part 1 : Deliberate Concept |Web Applications x Publ…

Loomio、審議、動民主 時間: 2015/12/9 19:00 - 21:30 地點：Appier Cafe 台北市信義區基隆路一段394號1樓 主辦：OCF 開放文化基金會 報名：<http://ocftw.kktix.cc/events/blulu> 直播： 錄影： 19:00 - 19:30 報到 19:30…

ocf-tw.hackpad.com

Loomio、審議、動民主

時間 time: 2015/12/9 19:00 - 21:30 地點 location：Appier Cafe 台北市信義區基隆路一段394號1樓 主辦 host：OCF 開放文化基金會 報名 registration：<http://ocftw.kktix.cc/events/blulu> 錄影：<https://www.youtube>.

patcon 15:55:14
And oh gawd the gundam slide
patcon 15:55:29
Screenshot_20171209-022913.png
patcon 15:56:22
The concepts in blulu are great, and help me understand how some of the engagement processes were being perverted in tw
🙂 thanks for finding such great resources!
itsmisscs 16:32:28
i love how you dig @patcon. also @darshana, i like how they call out that they are self funded. nice reminder to add a “support our projects” call to action (see blulu.tw)
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2017-12-10

itsmisscs 20:00:37
Morning, underestimated the condition of the road and missed my scheduled bus. Taking the next one but it arrives at 1:29. Will be arriving at orbital just on time or some minutes past 2pm. Apologies!
@patcon @lizbarry @darshana @devin @katehnicholson Bus had to stop at the repair show 😩 Updating hackmd link with some things so y’all can get started in my absence.
Ok 2p still? I have to eat a meal then come in
I’ll probably be there closer to 2:30. ETA is 1:45. The roads are clear and we are making good time.
katenicholson 2017-12-11 01:01:04
Ok see you guys in a bit .
I can be there at 2 and let everyone in.
I'll aim for 2. Looking forward to it.
sweet on the GW…and the first run in with traffic 😝
Updated [the agenda](https://hackmd.io/BwNgxgJiCsAssFoQEYzQbAphRBOYADLggGYkBMJYJAhsMHLkA===?both). Added “Run of Show” section. Feel free to get started! See everyone soon. Super stoked!
ok i got caught on the phone -- i'll be in in like 30 minutes
I’m at west 4th!
katenicholson 2017-12-11 02:54:57
I’m about 25 away.
Getting on the F.
see you guys at orbital. I’ll let you in. ping on slack or ring the bell
katenicholson 2017-12-11 03:40:23
Oy overestimated the MTA,a few away. Shall ping when downstairs.
np. ping when here
katenicholson 2017-12-11 03:48:51
Hey here
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2017-12-11

lizbarry 03:19:08
A guy wants to join from florida
lizbarry 03:19:17
I'm walking over now
patcon 03:19:44
haha classic liz -- meets someone on street who wants to come 😜
patcon 03:25:17
@patcon set the channel topic: PUBLICLY logged. docs: http://beta.hackfoldr.org/nyc-participatory-democracy/ invites to g0v slack: http://join.g0v.today
lizbarry 03:25:42
Can someon let me in?
Me too
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patcon 03:33:13
I'm just hanging in https://appear.in/vnyc, if no one has other plans for remote part!

 

appear.in

Video conversations with up to 8 people for free - no login, no downloads. Create a video room. Share the link. Appear together. Try it now at <https://appear.in>

Hackett 03:41:43
@davehackett1 has joined the channel
patcon 08:40:38
Oh man, I wish we had someone in Ottawa interested in vtaiwan: the community of federal regulators is throwing a conference over the next few days.

http://cfrconference.ipac.ca

Explore themes and challenges facing the regulatory field now and tomorrow at the 2017 CFR Regulatory Conference!

CFR 2017 Regulatory Conference: Regulations in a Time of Disruption

Explore themes and challenges facing the regulatory field now and tomorrow at the 2017 CFR Regulatory Conference!

lizbarry 09:19:04
Next NYC Meetup at democracy.earth event this Thursday?
If I can change my flight I will see y’all. Otherwise I look forward to the notes
katenicholson 2017-12-12 00:10:54
i have ticket so wil see ya there.
i cancelled my flight…rebooking
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patcon 13:00:55
heyo @katehnicholson -- in regards to the graph you were making, was that mapping out the relations and affiliations of everyone involved?
If so, was wondering how you would feel about putting it on graphcommons as a collaborative resource. By way of example, @lizbarry and I were playing with it as a way to track who was from where in `#general-en` channel (so we could better understand the best place to run an event): https://graphcommons.com/graphs/d6693b08-a025-439d-a813-d508f40c838b
katenicholson 2017-12-11 14:12:33
Hey, was mostly a quick mock up to get clarity. Here it is slightly more tuned. Not sure if you want vflorida and vToronto on there but from my understanding they could become something..? Let me know if anyone has any edits before wanting to put it up.
patcon 13:02:34
If so, was wondering how you would feel about putting it on graphcommons as a collaborative resource. By way of example, @lizbarry and I were playing with it as a way to track who was from where in `#general-en` channel (so we could better understand the best place to run an event): https://graphcommons.com/graphs/d6693b08-a025-439d-a813-d508f40c838b

graphcommons.com

g0v-tw#general-en Slack channel

Mapping the English-speaking g0v community.

katenicholson 14:14:47
@patcon (here it is, can’t seem to attach files to thread replies… unless i am missing something?)
WhatWeAre.png
katenicholson 14:16:43
Meeting2
patcon 17:25:05
ok, here's a demo of how we could use trello to be a bit of a dashboard for our regularly-access resources and the tasks that come out of meetings: https://trello.com/b/ZzxRte37/g0vnetwork-task-tracker

(in theory, starting with the readme should allow someone to generally understand what's up)
patcon 17:46:54
@davehackett1 when's you segment on wesnday, anyhow? (Just to help with deadlines)
i think 1pm ET
it's noon actually
exciting! post links so we can tune in
patcon 17:53:57
<!here> do y'all agree that this important to get done for wednesday? https://trello.com/c/vzkc0agI/35-prepare-code-of-conduct

Trello

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2017-12-12

2017-12-13

patcon 15:06:26
@devin <!here> did we get a mailing list set up for tomorrow's call? If we did create a mailchimp account, might you be able to invite me? re: https://trello.com/c/IStWwYkZ/34-prepare-to-allow-a-mailing-list

Trello

Prepare to allow a mailing list on g0v.network: Task Tracker

in To Do on g0v.network: Task Tracker

devin 15:10:49
Do we have a general email inbox for shared accounts like this Mailchimp? If not I can create one for now at vnetwork@sarapis.org.
devin 15:11:12
I have a NameCheap-powered reseller account so if you want to point it there I can get you a Cpanel with all the goodies: one-click installs of WordPress etc, email addresses, DNS management, etc.

If you want to use it point the nameservers to:
ns1.nyctechshed.com
ns2.nyctechshed.com
devin 15:11:38
https://trello.com/c/p6EVZuPZ/32-point-g0vnetwork-domain-somewhere-helpful

Trello

Point g0v.network domain somewhere helpful on g0v.network: Task Tracker

This is in preparation for Dave Hackett's radio show, which he was planning to mention a way to follow the project.

devin 16:11:16
mailchimp is set up
devin 16:13:43
credentials sent to patcon
lizbarry 22:28:01
cool! i've lost track, but i thought we also had a composites collective shared inbox?
probably best to move it the network stuff
lizbarry 22:29:40
I just talked to a nice radio host who is feeling peppy thanks to the senate seat win the next state over. It's a little community radio station, it'll be on facebook live: https://www.facebook.com/NolaWMNF/. Does anyone have points they want me to make? happy to talk with anyone beforehand
@lizbarry I just listened to your radio show this morning. Nice work!!! You are so clear 🙂
patcon 22:49:59
thanks @devin! what if i just redirect the domain to a mailchimp splash page for the radio broadcast?

https://mailchimp.com/features/landing-pages/

(i had been gearing toward creating a minimal jekyll website -- and that should have been floated first, so my bad -- but happy to discuss other things like wordpress -- just maybe no time right now?)
patcon 23:36:40
dammit!
patcon 23:37:23
I was trying to set up redirects for g0v.network, but it's doing a lame thing and adding a trailing slash that confuses mailchimp. And I have a meeting from now until noon..!
patcon 23:44:08
scratch that, went to postpone that, and he had already sent an email about doing the same. so I'm going to stick around and get this sorted
katenicholson 23:46:52
🏃 go team go!

2017-12-14

patcon 00:09:50
haha ok, so it's the worst, but at least something is up:
http://g0v.network/

hosted here on github pages, if anyone wants to help pretty it up:
https://github.com/g0v-network/g0v.network

GitHub

g0v-network/g0v.network

Contribute to g0v.network development by creating an account on GitHub.

patcon 00:10:25
sadly, when embedding, we lose the inline help text from here:
https://https://sarapis.us17.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=857b4fb8bd6943ccf714c2bae&id=f5dab6bf9d
katenicholson 00:11:37
It looks good, simple. One thing i suggest is making check boxes rather than discrete answers… i that possible?
katenicholson 00:12:17
Or what’s the action out of the answers?
katenicholson 00:13:17
Are we sending them to 3 places based on their selection or are we just curious?
patcon 00:16:09
ah good call. the would be destructive after launch, so good catch
patcon 00:18:11
while there are already a million ways to create forms, you've just made me realize that a perk of airtable is that it allows changing form input elements without obliterating the underlying data:
https://support.airtable.com/hc/en-us/articles/206058268-Guide-to-forms

cc: @devin (any experience using airtable for signup forms? seem like a good idea or bad?)

Airtable - Support

Guide to forms

Airtable forms let you collect information from anyone and save it automatically to an Airtable base. They're perfect for logging expenses, collecting RSVPs, creating polls and quizzes, collecting ...

katenicholson 00:18:23
airtable forms rock :]
also, i need to speak my love of goofy-grin square bracket smiley man aloud. i don't do that enough. he is great
katenicholson 2017-12-14 00:20:14
haha square grinning is just a bit smirkier and more fun.
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patcon 00:18:37
@devin also, would you be able to invite me to the airtable team? just my reg old email, but will DM
katenicholson 00:21:04
i’ll see if i can help on inviting you one sec
katenicholson 00:21:07
@patcon
katenicholson 00:21:48
dm me your email @patcon
katenicholson 00:25:03
Hm @devin is a person a facet or an entity? 😉
katenicholson 00:27:53
@patcon (@devin’s gonna be in transit today, so might need to make do w out him) i am tempted to create a separate base for community management, thoughts?
katenicholson 00:30:22
or just another column…
patcon 00:31:34
i'm leaning toward just one base until we actually get close to some limit? seems easy to adjust later, since it's just tabular data?
katenicholson 00:31:50
sounds good
patcon 00:32:20
but i've only used airtable in one org, and not much myself, so i don't know much!
katenicholson 00:33:44
Ok i can whip up the form quickly now
katenicholson 00:39:30
https://airtable.com/shrOXw6R2062VMJSo

Airtable

Subscribe to our g0v mailing list - Airtable

Fill out the "Subscribe to our g0v mailing list" form quickly and securely on Airtable.

lizbarry 00:56:17
so this might be about a 20 minute convo, i'll have this channel open if anyone feels compelled to write in something for me to try to say. i might be reading it or might not 😛
lizbarry 00:56:38
actually i will be pretending that no one is listening
katenicholson 00:57:46
have fun :]
patcon 01:01:31
ok, moved to using airtables forms, because they embed waaaaaay nicer, and @katehnicholson got the select option to work way better
patcon 01:01:59
we can perhaps set up mailchimp integration later, or even migrate back if mailchimp seems better after more convo
katenicholson 01:01:59
(it’s all airtable 🙌)
patcon 01:02:15
http://gov.network

gov.network

Gov.network

Find Cash Advance, Debt Consolidation and more at Gov.network. Get the best of Insurance or Free Credit Report, browse our section on Cell Phones or learn about Life Insurance. Gov.network is the site for Cash Advance.

patcon 01:02:27
oops. minor heart attack there
patcon 01:03:09
ok, clearly needs some metadata. i'll work on that
patcon 01:05:33
@katehnicholson mind if we call it a vNetwork mailing list? i admit that i worry about conflating the faciltiation sub-project with g0v, which is muuuuuch larger. the domain already makes it confusing, but would be cool to counter that in the copy. (just my 2c)
katenicholson 01:06:24
sure, i have less of a say on this i think as not as familiar
patcon 01:09:16
k thx 🙂 i added a description too. might be too much info though, so feel free to push back.
patcon 01:09:31
also, mind if i change the background to match the g0v red: http://g0v.asia/
katenicholson 01:09:56
sure sure
devin 01:10:36
kudos on the airtable. 🙂
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patcon 01:10:55
was there conscious convo on first and last name? i noticed that mailchimp, who prob does a lot of research on ux and trade-offs, defaults to asking both\
devin 01:11:01
adding tables to meet needs is a godo approach
devin 01:11:22
the columns that are already there is for a knowledgebase - tools/techniques documentation ala base.recola.org
katenicholson 2017-12-14 01:23:05
ah, now i see the site. very nice.
katenicholson 01:11:39
I thought i recalled someone in our meeting say 1 name.
katenicholson 01:12:04
It is nice to be able to say Hi “kate” vs Hi KAte nicholson
devin 01:12:09
adding additional tables from CRM-style stuff is fine for now - though in the future we might want to have the knowledgebase be public and the CRM stuff not
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devin 01:12:35
but we can seperate them later
devin 01:13:12
I wouldn't worry about first/last name until we have over 1000 contacts. Until then it's pretty easy to parse them.
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patcon 01:26:17
<!here> is the current g0v.network site with the logo as the background image painful? (also, is there a way to select just a solid color, or were you clever and uploaded a teal image @katehnicholson?)
katenicholson 2017-12-14 02:01:01
haha. nice catch. yes i uploaded an image. Uhm.. it hurts a little. let me see if i can do something.
katenicholson 2017-12-14 02:01:05
is that the red?
Haha aw thanks. They seek to use more subtle reds on buttons at vtaiwan.tw, but that is one red
oops. sorry. g0v.tw #D95C5C
katenicholson 2017-12-14 02:39:37
haha.
katenicholson 2017-12-14 02:40:00
red, red. potato potato. kay just a sec let me see.
katenicholson 2017-12-14 02:53:05
okay i changed it up. feedback welcome.
looks awesome! solid/gradient background works so much better than white
i might be crazy, but there's maybe a slight tilt to the letters that shows up in my view due to the edges of the window acting as a level, but it's minor (if it's in fact real at all!):
https://imgur.com/g6Sx5UP
if you felt like dropping the PSD (or whatever format) into the gdrive, I'd be happy to confirm 🙂
katenicholson 2017-12-14 05:32:42
real talk. thanks for that catch!
katenicholson 2017-12-14 05:56:22
@patcon link the gdrive? i’ll put things there. it’s illustrator, apologies in advance for the proprietarity.
katenicholson 2017-12-14 06:09:53
🕵️ refreshed. better?
you're awesome. looks great 🎉 thanks @katehnicholson!
and gdrive is linked from here: https://trello.com/c/6Uh6VnNp/12-google-drive

feel free to add whatever folders you need
patcon 01:41:48
if we're looking for people to join in leadership and organizer capacity, should we add a section about accepting a code of conduct? https://github.com/g0v-network/overview/blob/master/CONDUCT.md
patcon 01:41:59
related: i will admit that i have wonderings and thoughts on certain language choices we might make, and where we should use them... i feel that certain language choices are markers that can be desirable (eg. signalling the sorts of leaders we want to welcome and have step forward) or undesirable (eg. alienating certain stakeholders in community conversations in which we instead want the barest minimum of reasons for them think "oh, this isn't for me")

like if we, through language, signal affiliations with certain ideologies early (and there's nothing wrong with ideologies... we all have them!), we might -- for example -- have no trump supporters represented in a consultation. imho this would be bad, and would work against legitimacy of the process

curious to discuss the above in person. sorry if it's coming across poorly in text :slightly_smiling_face:
lizbarry 01:42:15
thanks for setting up the website! i got to say it and spell it out twice
patcon 01:42:21
yay!
lizbarry 02:40:18
here's what i see after i hit submit on mailling list
katenicholson 05:35:58
damn, also, cities aren’t always unique!
katenicholson 05:40:45
@lizbarry how did the radio show go? will you share link? i didn’t catch yet.
lizbarry 06:08:34
It went fine and we had a good time. Dave was there as a guest as well, very articulate. I said some things. I think I made all our points, only ad libbed a few times and said & spelled g0v.network twice.
lizbarry 06:09:03
I don't have a link other than their Facebook page where he said it was going to be Facebook live (?)
lizbarry 06:09:30
We should record our own statements and have them up, I know just the media team
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katenicholson 06:10:34
Very cool, well done. I will look for the fb live
patcon 08:34:31
🎉
patcon 08:35:37
@lizbarry from last meeting notes:

> monthly after work group of NYC’s municipal urban designers have asked Liz (who has widened the invite) to discuss facilitation (for 2018)

these folks? https://urbandesignforum.org/review/2017-class-of-forefront-fellows/

I don't know if we got to it, but is there something there we could convert into action item to followup on, or just informational?

Urban Design Forum

2017 Class of Forefront Fellows

We are thrilled to announce our second class of Forefront Fellows. The Forefront Fellowship promotes the next generation of urban leaders. The cohort will gather monthly, share work, and debate critical issues facing immigrant communities in New York City.

patcon 08:50:51
<!here> oh hey! found the radio show! http://www.wmnf.org/events/midpoint-with-wmnf-news-wednesday/

Added it to a new "Press" resource card on Trello, which we could use for tracking stuff like this:
https://trello.com/c/uXzumMUB/45-press

WMNF

MidPoint with WMNF News Wednesday - WMNF

In-depth state and local coverage, plus national and international perspectives. Everyday Ethics discussion leads off the show.

Trello

Press on g0v.network: Task Tracker

in Resources on g0v.network: Task Tracker

could prob use airtable for this tracking too, and just link to a public view of that 🙂
just listening now. love the shout-out to the inclusion of "the undocumented" when using the word "citizens" ❤️
katenicholson 2017-12-14 09:02:07
@patcon hope aboard the Airtable wagon 🚂🚂🚂
katenicholson 2017-12-14 09:02:12
Hops*
katenicholson 2017-12-14 09:02:23
Thanks for sharing.
choooooo etc
no problemo. still listening, but you're nailing it, @lizbarry!
Oh golly, let's all record one -- a mashup of cuts of all of us talking and make it on our website
about to start listening!
it’ll go well with painting and packing
itsmisscs 10:03:22
ooo listening to the show
lizbarry 10:26:36
Well I'm all ears for how to do it better next time, hope I didn't miss anything up too bad, and also like I chatted into the thread we should make our own !
devin 10:30:59
Do we have a list of English language articles/content about vTaiwan anywhere?
lizbarry 10:33:36
Not that I know of...there's that Nesta piece, stuff from Theo Bass...and the report they just issued at the summit Darshana and CS went to
devin 10:40:35
Seems like a good place to start. If you post links I'll add them to the AirTable.
patcon 10:48:48
@devin KnowleeeeeeeedgeBAAAAAAAAASSSSE!!!
devin 10:49:06
Ya - I added the Radio and Civicst to the Resources setion of the AirTable.
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devin 10:50:24
Resources can accommodate Press. Less tables = deeper connections. So I moved the Radio interview from Press to Resources.
patcon 10:50:54
Oh wait, I misunderstood. Just realised. Sounds good to me. Would a flag to say "this is us" make sense?
devin 10:51:30
I'm using "Entities" on "Resources" as the Publisher - which automatically generates an Entity on that table.
patcon 10:51:37
Like I was just about to go in and add more stuff related to vtaiwan, but it won't have been by us. Like whiteppaers and stuff
devin 10:51:41
There is a multiselect on resources you can use to tag items with whatever you like
patcon 10:51:55
OK, I'll play around. The!
devin 10:52:05
I used that tag for "Press"
devin 10:52:13
but it could go deeper.
devin 10:52:38
One way to do that is by associating the "Entity" with *us* as opposed to the individual resource
patcon 10:56:35
@devin thoughts on adding a field for a direct link to raw/saved assets? I don't trust that audio link not to die when WFMN redesigns their site or whatevs (the internet sucks)
devin 10:58:04
Sure - we could also add the MP3 as an attachment
yeah, sure! if that doesn't fuck with our free-tier limits too much. alternatively, happy to use gdrive too
Lets not worry about free tier until we have too. Lots of ways to exit AirTable.
devin 10:58:27
If we want to go all the way we should add PDFs for all articles as well
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itsmisscs 11:13:58
@devin do you have resources on spain methods?
lizbarry 11:18:07
I have many pages notes from convos w yago and Miguel that I never wrote uppp..,.
oooooooo i could scan them and we can start there 🙂
unless you feel like typing it up. i’m really interested. from what i’ve learned through youtube videos they have accomplished some things vtaiwan hasn’t—much more publicly known and they meet people where they are at—steets, plazas, offices in neighborhoods.
granted, i think the public canning issue is probably huge step and media op for vtaiwan.
ok i have one tiny notebook full of handwriting from talking with Yago in person, and one google doc from a long interview with Miguel.
Would you be okay sharing the google doc?
itsmisscs 11:55:39
@davehackett1 Enjoying your thoughts on the podcast. Thanks for tapping @lizbarry. Stay tuned to Civicist this week. @darshana and I are publishing another piece from our research trip to Taiwan.
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patcon 13:14:57
@itsmisscs <!here> rename this to #vnetwork: yay or nay?
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itsmisscs 13:15:23
i thought we were going to keep our own city channel and create a new one for vnetwork
patcon 13:16:38
oh! i thought there was something about renaming, but i'll jsut creat another
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canadian_aaron 14:11:42
@canadian_aaron has joined the channel
lizbarry 21:23:59
Yes please we should say something about net neutrality here at this 11th hour; time berners Lee "no more permissionless space for innovation"
lizbarry 21:34:44
I also have an idea that's a cross between a FAQ and "speakers bureau-ifying" ourselves : we make a list of frequently asked questions, and put them on our website. We also hold round robin question answering practice sessions among ourselves. In this we we can know we can all speak on the topic, and as new gigs come up we rotate who speaks. Perhaps if there are domains that we have prior experience in we can choose certain people who can speak to that (for me, for instance that's science participation and urban design)
maybe this was a weird idea nevermind?
I think it's a nice idea but overkill for now. IMHO you're great at promoting g0v so do it as best you can without worrying too much about being "the expert". If/when the flood of interest comes and lots of opportunities emerge for sharing expertise, we'll be ready with deep resources and a "nobody" ethic that allows many people to "share the wealth" and attention.
先承認你就是沒有人
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lizbarry 23:56:38
A/V geeks - i found a $77 360 camera recommended on a gift site https://thewirecutter.com/deals/#deal-31603
omg wirecutter is so much more than a gift site. It's my fave.

2017-12-15

itsmisscs 00:11:16
ooo
lizbarry 00:47:19
EXTREMELY GREAT TRAVELOGUE https://civichall.org/civicist/two-weeks-in-taipei/

Civic Hall

In Search of 21st Century Democracy: Two Weeks in Taipei | Civicist

It matters what ideas we use to think ideas. It matters what thoughts think thoughts. It matters what knowledges know knowledges. It matters what relations relate relations. It matters what worlds world worlds. It matters what stories tell stories. —Donna Haraway It matters what experiments we use to experiment. Society and technology have undergone significant …

thank you, liz ❤️
i am so excited to read this while waiting for laundry
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katenicholson 03:08:40
Can’t wait to read!
lizbarry 05:23:31
looking forward to seeing people tonight at democracy.earth where i'm going to just work my "waitlist" spot into admission.
report back!
lizbarry 05:24:23
also, tomorrow after **4pm** all are invited to come by the New Lab to see a demo by Brendan who i've been working with on "environmental data justice" -- a bunch of people working on an IPFS project
lizbarry 05:24:49
so, anyone who needs cheering up over loss of net neutrality in the US, come hang out in the stirrings of the d-web @itsmisscs @darshana @katehnicholson @devin
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devin 05:41:00
FYI: I'm in SF til Monday, then LA til Jan 15thish. If there's anyone I should meet in these locals lemme know.
@jessykate and @planspark are in #general-en and in the SF-ish area according to https://graphcommons.com/graphs/d6693b08-a025-439d-a813-d508f40c838b 👋
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katenicholson 06:50:27
yay @lizbarry i’l see you in a bit, may be a tad late.
katenicholson 06:50:55
ps <!here> does anyone know if marketplace health insurance sign up in NY ends at midnight tonight or midnight tomorrow night??
thebestsophist 06:52:15
tomorrow
katenicholson 06:52:23
if i go with the example of tax day, i think 15 last day
katenicholson 06:52:34
@thebestsophist thanks!
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lizbarry 08:05:43
Ok @katehnicholson I'm standing against the back wall , far right. Near Leah
katenicholson 08:10:28
I’m en route will find you
katenicholson 08:46:02
Made it, streamed en route I love the future.
lizbarry 09:33:34
Shall we practice a social experiment of circles of trust?
lizbarry 09:56:18
Liquid democracy would take.....practice. let's make a game that large groups of people can do at the park. It can be silly, like voting on cats vs dogs
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katenicholson 09:58:59
I love big games.
katenicholson 23:54:21
Big Game - Evict'em Rules Final.pdf
katenicholson 23:55:15
^^ example of a game i made w some friends
wow awesome! could you post a link to this eviction game on this other game about eviction that activists made in Beijing? https://publiclab.org/notes/shanlter/12-04-2017/folding-beijing-a-board-game-based-on-beijing-eviction-action (sorry requires making account but it's quick)
Oh hey, didnt know ppl here were into game design. This is also a directory that might be worth adding to (have been poking them to open source the website code so that I feel better sending ppl to contribute, but its an eLab project, so I'm sure they'll eventually do it) :)

http://gamesforcities.com
Been trying to connect CivicTech Toronto with the local board game design community -- a guy i know was part of starting the first cafe in north america back a few years ago, so the indie community is pretty big here...!
wow!
katenicholson 2017-12-16 01:57:55
@patcon sweet resources . Cool I’ll need to clean up the doc maybe, could use some edits. Then will link to both your suggested places. @lizbarry
katenicholson 2017-12-16 01:58:58
I have a few other games. One is a rap game which is kinda fun. Maybe we can play one day.
cool - added gamesforcities to the AirTable
Also - kudos to whomever for adding all those resources. 🙂
i would be totally psyched if our large scale facilitation included public games. not gonna be lead on that, but i do love a massive participatory spectacle (giant inflatable structures floating in the sky, a thousand people at a "Talk To Me" party, etc).

2017-12-16

lizbarry 01:11:44
anyone is welcome to come by today 4pm to the New Lab -- we can help you set up IPFS nodes and play with an alpha browser for data hosted on the decentralized web. @katehnicholson @itsmisscs @darshana
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itsmisscs 02:47:19
I’d love to but after an intense week of running around and preparation for travel, I’m beat. Up in Harlem remembering what it is like to work from cozy cafes.
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itsmisscs 02:47:31
I fly out tonight. Will see y’all in a couple weeks ❤️
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katenicholson 02:55:36
Ah sounds like fun. I got holiday and birthday parties, don’t think I can squeeze it. I’d love to stop by another one though.
katenicholson 02:55:58
@itsmisscs favorite Harlem cozy cafe?

happy travels.
I was trying some new ones. I think my fav is still https://www.yelp.com/biz/manhattanville-coffee-new-york-4. Made for remote working. I enjoyed Lenox Coffee shop, but it’s one of those 2hour limit wifi places (luckily someone left their code on a table and it worked).

2017-12-17

lizbarry 04:44:36
hey some of my favorite, largest open community organizers just referenced me this https://opensource.com/open-organization/resources/workbook

Opensource.com

The Open Organization Workbook

Organizations that embrace cultures of openness are more agile, accountable, and innovative. But how exactly can we build them?

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lizbarry 05:39:57
hey guys, Amy Zhang of "wikum" reached out about https://meedan.com/credibility-coalition/

meedan.com

Meedan

Credibility Coalition: A diverse, interdisciplinary community committed to building better standards for credibility on the web.

2017-12-18

itsmisscs 07:25:31
@darshana @lizbarry how was the event yesterday?
such an excellent panel! Think there was livestreaming..
Liz, Ahmed, Amy and I had a few drinks and rowdy chats after 😉
how lovely that the worlds collided. i will find the livestream. i was out early yesterday
itsmisscs 15:09:33
2018 goals: https://www.thoughtco.com/start-a-super-pac-3367487

ThoughtCo

How to Start a Super PAC in 5 Easy Steps

Learn how to start a super PAC. See how to begin raising money to influence elections. Find out how to run your own super PAC.

Current top name pick: Citizens demand Change…CdC aka Coup de Council (for those in the know)
itsmisscs 15:24:14
Did folks know about https://www.regulations.gov?
itsmisscs 15:24:21
> The vision of the eRulemaking Program is to enable the public ease of access to participate in a high quality, efficient, and open rulemaking process.
yeah 18F overhauled that. also see https://epa-notice.usa.gov/ and https://eregs.github.io/
nice! they need to point old url to these new ones!
much better. ty @lizbarry
itsmisscs 15:24:38
It comes out of the EPA
patcon 16:08:27
cool! haven't seen the website, but read some papers that I think audrey mentioned in a slide deck:
http://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1012&context=ceri
http://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1178&context=facpub
http://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1013&context=ceri

(they are SUPER interesting. and you just made me realize they should totally be in our knowledgebase!)
https://trello.com/c/BJovztkf/48-knowledge-base-aka-airtable

2017-12-19

2017-12-20

2017-12-30

itsmisscs 00:56:38
> East Side Access tunnel, which will connect Grand Central Terminal in Manhattan with the Long Island Rail Road. The project’s costs have ballooned to nearly $3.5 billion for each new mile of track.
itsmisscs 00:56:44
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyregion/new-york-subway-construction-costs.html

The New York Times

The Most Expensive Mile of Subway Track on Earth

How excessive staffing, little competition, generous contracts and archaic rules dramatically inflate capital costs for transit in New York.

dzn 14:28:43
saw this! So crazy
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2017-12-31

itsmisscs 00:36:58
Hi friends, @darshana and I are publishing a couple of our talks as long form articles via Medium. We’d love some additional eyes before we put these out. Here’s the first one: https://medium.com/p/a3977d620af8/edit
itsmisscs 11:59:20
because of rising AMIs, HDFC restrictions are changing 😕
patcon 15:57:16
Great idea!