vnyc

Month: 2017-12

2017-12-01

2017-12-05

devin 07:44:44
Hi. I'll be in California Dec 13-Jan 13(ish), so if you want to meet up in-person before the year ends, talk strategy, etc, we should plan something.
itsmisscs 09:43:33
I’m also going to be out during this time.
itsmisscs 09:43:48
Should we plan something on the calendar for 10th or 11th?
katenicholson 03:27:06
Either evening could work for me.
itsmisscs 03:46:03
if do remote, weekend works as well
dzn 04:05:35
I will be up for that. Right now, Sunday 10th is the front runner. Does that work?
dzn 04:05:51
@lizbarry ^^ what time on Sunday were you thinking?
devin 10:28:37
Oh wow. Responses! Missed them. Yes the 10th works for me.
itsmisscs 11:46:29
we’re thinking of starting at 2pm meeting at Orbital. Will post agenda tomorrow. Please feel free to come for all or the parts that interest you.
katenicholson 08:05:36
@katehnicholson has joined the channel
devin 09:24:18
Everyone, meet Kate! She helped with my campaign and is a big participatory democracy fan.
patcon 09:55:00
hiya Kate! Nice to meet you!
patcon 09:56:42
@darshana @itsmisscs @lizbarry here's a shared gdrive: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1502DmThbT3o-J-iHqX9H8XbsdEdActXx

in-progress rightscon panel doc in there. due at midnight
itsmisscs 10:09:39
due 11:59 pacific.
lizbarry 10:05:55
Hey I'm view only on that
itsmisscs 10:10:38
@patcon me too! can you change link perms?
patcon 10:12:36
WORLD WRITABLE 4EVAR
patcon 10:12:56
done.
patcon 10:13:03
maybe we can rethink that later..? not sure
patcon 10:14:37
ok, thinking we could write it as someone from Composite Collective just to fit their rubric of one person submission (?)
patcon 10:15:55
but had me thinking about a question for later -- should we de-emphasize composite collective going forward? like should it just be like an LLC that some people use to get paid? I wonder whether it confuses and distracts from what g0v is trying to be over here -- i'm wondering whether CC might seem like a sub-club, maybe, and a confusingly ambiguous "we" that isn't as inclusive
patcon 10:16:06
soooo maybe we should just say our affiliation is g0v?
itsmisscs 10:21:10
they don’t know who g0v is
itsmisscs 10:21:29
I’ve been poking through the speakers from last year
patcon 10:22:28
yay, we're indie!
patcon 10:22:40
is poking through guidelines to choose best format
itsmisscs 10:22:41
i think the g0v angle would be great at tictec, i feel this crowd the focus needs to be on conversation technology (f2f) and its impact/potential to transform gov
lizbarry 10:22:59
"Civic Tech, Citizenship, and E-Governance" bucket?
itsmisscs 10:23:15
that sounds good
katenicholson 10:23:40
Thanks @devin! Hii <!channel> great to join the group :wave::grinning:
patcon 10:24:25
oh wait, what about "The State of Global Civil Society". i know some ppl have reaction to "civic tech".
patcon 10:25:19
meh. i guess this is all just a guess. could fall under a few :slightly_smiling_face: civic tech it is!
patcon 10:27:48
are we going to try to wrangle more than 60 minutes somehow? i'm feeling a little dissonance about how we were talking about this before, and what the timeslot might impose. so how does this translate? is it just like a short orientation of how citizen facilitation works?
itsmisscs 10:29:02
@darshana and i cannot fathom doing a rights con proposal and not an event in nyc. in that case, i see it as a big of a run through? still record it but maybe tailor the workshop
itsmisscs 10:29:23
i don’t think we could run through all the training in 60-75 min, right @lizbarry?
itsmisscs 10:29:43
i like idea of orientation but also want folks to go away with something
lizbarry 10:30:06
"Orientation to newly filmed and translated materials"
itsmisscs 10:33:38
would nyc come first or after?
lizbarry 10:38:53
What is the NYC vision? The inflatable in McCarren park? :balloon::balloon::balloon::balloon::balloon::balloon::balloon::balloon::balloon:
lizbarry 10:40:01
I think it's whatever we can make happen
lizbarry 10:40:35
What do you want?
itsmisscs 11:02:00
i guess it depends on what they are available for
patcon 10:31:00
(Like!) So might it be framed as like an intro to a kit/package/course, where we invite participants to investigate/organize trainings in their local communities?
patcon 10:36:33
fwiw, a group in toronto raised $30,000 on kickstarter and build a kit to help people run grassroots municipal campaigns. I was thinkin about that with the "kit" mention:
https://www.democracykit.org/orientation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WmWkpm1HJ8

DemocracyKit | Open Democracy Project

Orientation @DemocracyKit

Complete the @DemocracyKit orientation. Open politics from the ground up.

YouTube

DemocracyKit | Powerful campaign tools for civic leaders.

patcon 10:37:38
happy to park that thought though. just thought it might be relevant to framing shorter talks around this thing we're trying to organize :slightly_smiling_face:
itsmisscs 10:39:27
taking a look
lizbarry 10:42:47
Hope that me writing fast as this plane taxis isn't putting anyone off! I ideate proposals fast then clean then up
lizbarry 10:45:26
My use of the pronoun we is very collective minded
itsmisscs 10:47:34
@patcon i’m curious how this goes tomorrow! pls report back https://www.meetup.com/Civic-Tech-Toronto/events/244699684/

Meetup

Civic Tech Toronto hacknight #121 with Quayside community brainstorm

12/5, 7:00 PM: A civic tech community brainstormWe&amp;#39;ve seen a lot of excitement -- and some concern -- about the Waterfront Toronto + Sidewalk Labs project (<http://sidewalktoronto.ca>) at Quayside.

patcon 10:51:10
i was hoping to shim some http://pol.is|pol.is reflective phase exercises in, but its so little tiiiiiime
itsmisscs 11:08:06
> Finally, while competition is steep and you should put your best foot forward, remember your submission doesn’t need to be set in stone on the first go! Think of this as your concept note. If accepted, we’ll work with you to fine tune your session for the greatest impact.
itsmisscs 11:08:13
https://www.accessnow.org/rightscon-2018-5-reasons-lead-session/

Access Now

The rundown on RightsCon: 5 reasons why you should lead a session (and how to do it) - Access Now

We want you at RightsCon Toronto on May 16-18! Here's how to prepare and submit a session proposal.

lizbarry 11:30:01
alright i did a bunch of edits. Does someone think they can do the final pass?
lizbarry 12:20:50
Ok just chatted with @patcon -- I am handing the baton off. .. to whom? Who will actually submit?
patcon 12:35:55
@itsmisscs and/or @darshana wanna do a call and just get this submitted in draft form?
patcon 13:50:00
done and done! thanks for provoking the last minute submission blitz, @itsmisscs!
patcon 14:46:21
should we officially invite audrey using http://wiselike.tw|wiselike.tw? I feel like that's a public place that she would appreciate: https://wiselike.tw/#/user/audreyt

2017-12-06

katenicholson 03:26:38
Nice work-- have sifted through the channels, my interest is piqued. Would love to get together for quick run down / hello.
itsmisscs 09:10:27
Hai :wave::skin-tone-5: thrilled to hear. we’re tentatively thinking about a get together to discuss facilitation project plans and some other topics the second half of sunday. would you want to join either IRL or remote?
itsmisscs 09:10:41
ps. excited to meet and talk and say hello
katenicholson 09:13:21
:upside_down_face: Looking forward to it too. Yep, Sunday should work for me.
katenicholson 09:13:31
I’m down with real life if you’re planning that.
patcon 14:54:26
Relevant tweet: https://twitter.com/heif/status/937735980177649664

twitter

Obama: "I'm very interested in how online communities can move offline. How this incredible power to convene through hashtags [etc] eventually leads to people meeting each other and talking to each other" <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWE8HUjYf8Q&amp;feature=youtu.be&amp;t=28m34s>

katenicholson 02:48:01
I wonder what Obama thinks of WeWork buying MeetUp :grimacing: https://venturebeat.com/2017/11/28/wework-acquires-meetup/
patcon 04:32:30
yeah, i feel ya. i'm hoping this kicks the tech-capable communities on that platform to start building more open alternatives. wework might be decent stewards in the near future, but i'm still uncomfortable with what feels like a vertical market grab :confused:
katenicholson 13:23:26
I like that thought. And I guess i’m not actually too disgruntled :] — the intentions are def worthwhile, and my view of WeWork is pretty NYC-centric— it’s less loathsome in places where workspace open to anyone is hard to come by. so yeah, :raised_hands: let the people bump into each other in work and meeting up.
patcon 14:59:21
anyone else on this google group? (just applied to join, but not sure what it entails!)
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/vtaiwan

2017-12-07

patcon 08:58:36

anyone here familiar with SDD? Might it have informed any part of vTaiwan architecting? <http://ncdd.org/rc/item/2884>

2017-12-08

itsmisscs 06:21:38
anyone know of https://sovrin.org/?

Sovrin

Home - Sovrin

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itsmisscs 06:21:52
LOL what a lovely site meta description they have there
patcon 06:57:13
LOL I don't know why but i find that way too funny
itsmisscs 06:58:20
ME TOO!
itsmisscs 08:14:40
Join in! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJhzGVFqjwE&amp;feature=youtu.be

YouTube

The People's Roadmap; future of NYC's #civictech &amp; #opendata - MANHATTAN Edition

patcon 08:48:04
lol "freedom to internet"
patcon 08:48:30
can this be the livethread???
patcon 08:53:24
wooooo EFFECTIVE AND OPEN GOVERNMENT :tada: :tada:
patcon 08:54:20
@noneck I was trying to screencap the several moments of pure glee that you entered when you realized there was an extra 10 minutes, but my screencap software effed up :cry:
patcon 08:55:26
@darshana livestream is GREAT! is there an other virtual spaces that I could tag along in, particularly once breakouts start? or might livestream keep going?
patcon 08:55:38
i would love to eavesdrop!
dzn 08:56:55
lol
dzn 08:56:58
I’m here
dzn 08:57:03
what do you want to know
dzn 08:57:38
@noneck:joy: every community is smart
itsmisscs 08:58:05
@patcon they don’t have cams for the breakouts, yet
itsmisscs 08:58:24
i think the stream will stop and then pick back up.
itsmisscs 08:58:54
would be so cool to get a livestream in a box setup
dzn 08:59:00
oh yeah
dzn 08:59:03
that will be cool
itsmisscs 08:59:03
i’m curious how pdis and watchout record their events
dzn 08:59:20
people are engaged. which is great
itsmisscs 08:59:21
nice way to reach out to internet society
dzn 08:59:25
lots of questions
itsmisscs 08:59:25
that’s fantastic!
itsmisscs 08:59:38
sounds that way. more than others
itsmisscs 09:01:13
@darshanaare folks using slido?
dzn 09:01:30
More proactive people
dzn 09:01:39
no http://sli.do|sli.do uptake though
dzn 09:02:12
either people don’t feel the need to use it or we are not explaining it right
itsmisscs 09:02:37
is it up on a screen?
dzn 09:02:39
breakout time
itsmisscs 09:02:54
:wave::skin-tone-5:
katenicholson 09:06:05
this is awesome. i’m a few minutes behind.
katenicholson 09:06:11
sooo many questttions. lol. Jump in people! :upside_down_face:
patcon 09:11:51
me too. i'm behind, because i got distracted by a youtube video in the sidebar :facepalm:
katenicholson 09:12:17
haha. i was distracted by a tea kettle i forgot about.
katenicholson 09:12:51
will they be returning to the stream?
patcon 09:13:49
> would be so cool to get a livestream in a box setup

have the same need at civictechto. another friend does it, but she wants to make it more of a rotatable role, and figure out some good gear. def interested in connecting y'all on that if we wanna talk about some sort diy kit! :slightly_smiling_face:
patcon 09:15:34
we played with https://restream.io/ for sending to all live services (twitter, fb, youtube) but ran into some glitches. worth revisiting though
patcon 09:16:58
> nice way to reach out to internet society

@itsmisscs like http://internetsociety.org|internetsociety.org? or just the term? :slightly_smiling_face:
patcon 09:17:57
> will they be returning to the stream?

@katehnicholson i think @darshana said they were
itsmisscs 09:18:30
@katehnicholson yeah, after breakouts…so in 30-40.
itsmisscs 09:18:52
@patcon yup, them :slightly_smiling_face:
katenicholson 09:19:01
@itsmisscs @patcon cool thanks
itsmisscs 09:19:12
@patcon have you played with twitch?
patcon 09:25:34
@itsmisscs it seems like the thing most like http://livehouse.in|livehouse.in, but since we weren't up to running such inclusive events (just working on livestreaming), haven't had a chance to dive in..!
patcon 09:25:57
they apparently allow non-gaming now? although their categories didn't quite fit vefore, so i wasn't clear if we were within the rules
patcon 09:30:06
ah, i don't think i read through these full docs before, but they're helpful for twitch:
- https://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/2176641-creative-faq
(reading now)
patcon 09:30:46
oops. wrong one. but the creative faq is hilarious

> *Q. Can I broadcast building furniture for my office?*
> A. Assembling office furniture is not allowed. However, if you are building out your broadcast studio or customizing furniture, feel free to use Twitch Creative.
patcon 09:32:41
gonna move twitch convo out of thread :grin:
itsmisscs 10:09:11
yup yup!
itsmisscs 10:10:18
@darshana did it end?
itsmisscs 08:14:54
@darshana is facilitating
patcon 08:48:30
can this be the livethread???
patcon 09:40:18
re: using twitch (from thread): https://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/2672652-irl-faq

I was thinking our category would be one of these:

- ~Creative~
- IRL
- Not Playing (not listed in any discoverable mode)
- Talk Show

Might be other options though
patcon 09:40:24
despite how it looks, talk shows apparently don't need to be about gaming...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/5l17yy/what_are_the_rules_for_talk_shows_on_twitch/
patcon 09:42:09
man, it'd be fun to livestream a VR work session if we figure out how to work on our projects in that environment :wink:
patcon 09:42:52
like notch, but with consultation processes...! that would make me soooo focussed and productive
katenicholson 09:46:06
@patcon Like we could be roaming around the room right now tapping peoples shoulders and joint the sessions?
katenicholson 09:46:12
Joining *
patcon 09:48:54
omg, i wasn't even thinking about how this could revolutionize hallway testing for designing consultation experiences...!
patcon 09:49:33
(aside) re: twitch. 3d modelling might be a place we could work on twitch for certain types of work on this...
https://www.twitch.tv/communities/3dmodeling/details
katenicholson 09:51:25
Haha. Dig it.
katenicholson 09:54:18
Presenters could share 3D room models showing where sensors are stationed in key locations to roam to. Then people could put parallel sensors in their home or on a mountainside and just like participate whrever.
katenicholson 09:54:54
I don’t really know what I’m talking about but, just to throw it out there.
patcon 09:58:51
haha no worries -- i'm figuring this out too
patcon 10:00:42
had a chance to use a VR setup yet? i feel like getting in there clarified soooooo much about how it might work in practice

as a group, maybe we could make effort to give everyone interested in these projects a "first go" with really nice gear, so we're all maximally equipped to start thinking on how VR could be put for these things we care about together!
katenicholson 10:08:50
Ok, a bit more informed about twitch now having clicked the links. Useful.
katenicholson 10:09:57
yeah I’ve seen/played a few VR things. I was going off on an AR tangent I think.
katenicholson 10:10:27
Oh but no not a vr set up. I’ve just consumed content
patcon 10:13:50
twitch is going crazy over the game awards right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs5Ml7_2wT0

YouTube

The Game Awards 2017 - Official Livestream Today (4K)

itsmisscs 10:22:25
This wonderful dev in my community uses it to stream her open-source work
patcon 10:50:31
cool! do you think she'd be comfortable if you shared the link here or in private? it sounds way-fun
itsmisscs 11:50:19
of course https://www.twitch.tv/noopkat. She’s written about it, too. Even has really cute illustrations
itsmisscs 11:56:51
wow i’ve never watched these before. she’s great. also really amazing to see the engagement.
patcon 12:13:56
i'm officially on twitch! you have an account you'd be down to share?
https://www.twitch.tv/patcon__
katenicholson 12:17:20
i just joined too. share fun things with me too please :] https://www.twitch.tv/thatsnothowabunnyhops
patcon 12:17:44
BEST. USERNAME. TODAY.
katenicholson 12:17:56
hha
patcon 12:18:49
should we make a g0v community on twitch?
https://www.twitch.tv/communities/create
katenicholson 12:19:25
sure, though looks like we need to wait 90 days
patcon 12:24:50
i actually dug up an account from last year that I forgot about, so I'm good!

But on second though, maybe it's better to figure how we might use twitch (if at all) before naming a community, though...

but lemme know if YOU want one, and I can help you skip the line :stuck_out_tongue:
katenicholson 12:25:39
#desperateforcommunity :alien:
katenicholson 12:25:51
haha, yeah i think your thought is sound.
katenicholson 12:26:09
let’s consider the purpose a sec