#vnetwork
2018-04-01
What were you guys up to yesterday?
We chose dates for the facilitator training Friday May 11 Saturday 12; we updated and submitted the AwesomeFoundation NYC application for support for this event; drank beverages; missed you
2018-04-02
Can you tell us a bit more about the training? When/where/how long/content/size?
Yah Im curious too! Do you guys have a facilitation framework you’re working on for training? Or is it all set?
it’s all based on the training Taiwan is successfully using for their participation officers. speaking for the team, i’d say our goals are a) learn from the great success of taiwan’s training methods; b) record the first english language version of their training and release for (western) audience
Nice how many spots will you have?
we are planning for 20-30
you should sponsor and/or get a ticket 😛
What does sponsor mean? Costs?
give us this week to get you a prospectus 🙂
K
(I’m slowly trying to convince a few 18F folks to come to this)
@thebestsophist would it be worth it to send 18F boss-decision makers our prospectus?
our ticket costs should be reasonable but there will be sponsorship perks…not sure what US gov can rightfully sponsor though. at any rate, group rates will be a thing
Sponsorship through GSA (which is what 18f sponsorship would mean) puts a *lot* of rules on what can be funded, so I’m hesitant to do that. but a prospectus to help see if we can fund our tickets through our professional training budget could be useful.
(and a lot faster)
(event location, food rules, accounting, &c suddenly get a lot harder)
> i’d say our goals are a) learn from taiwan training b) record english
yah! yah! and wondering what folks here think about consistently emphasizing that goal around "building a community of neutral citizen facilitators"? Wondering if that might be a part of the special sauce that let's us interact in the most amicable way with existing communities of consultation/faciltiation professionals 🙂
yah! yah! and wondering what folks here think about consistently emphasizing that goal around "building a community of neutral citizen facilitators"? Wondering if that might be a part of the special sauce that let's us interact in the most amicable way with existing communities of consultation/faciltiation professionals 🙂
2018-04-06
Just came accross this - thought it was interesting. https://participedia.net/en Adding it to the AirTable.
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Yeah! They're working with gov in Canada!
💪 https://github.com/canada-ca/welcome/issues/20#comment-308540669
Also, beta of their open source relaunch is at participedia.xyz (appears much more future-oriented)
💪 https://github.com/canada-ca/welcome/issues/20#comment-308540669
Also, beta of their open source relaunch is at participedia.xyz (appears much more future-oriented)
2018-04-07
Yeah! They're working with gov in Canada!
💪 https://github.com/canada-ca/welcome/issues/20#comment-308540669
Also, beta of their open source relaunch is at participedia.xyz (appears much more future-oriented)
💪 https://github.com/canada-ca/welcome/issues/20#comment-308540669
Also, beta of their open source relaunch is at participedia.xyz (appears much more future-oriented)
@here We'll be doing an open call / work session at 2pm today! Come to think of it, we could prob create a recurring message in this channel, with details (agendas, call link, etc). I'll do that later today if no objection
We usually use appear.in/vnetwork, but wondering about meet.jit.si/vnetwork (open source, end-to-end encrypted, and tons of new features lately (incl ability to call in, stream to YouTube via stream key, etc)
@lizbarry @darshana still 25 min away, but if y'all felt like taking notes, I can catch up without tedious recap :)
happy to recap!
chat soon
we’ll write notes
cool -- i'll open up jitsi
Thanks for the invite but can't make it today. 🙂
Setting up compy
2018-04-08
Does anyone know of pol.is recently put the visualization feature behind a paywall of something? All of a sudden that feature is locked from my admin screen.
Export data too is locked. So the free version is basically unusable now?
2018-04-09
hm... that would really surprise me..! i knew export data was going away, but the viz going away would be pretty unexpected to me
@devin are you on metapolis slack?
Can you log in and see if it's disabled for you too?
I'm not on metapolis
@devin at the moment, yes those are behind paywall but if you email Colin I'm sure he will grant your account access for now
There isn't really a free version of Polis at the moment. Team is working on that but for now Polis has double downed on high touch engagements
hm... i don't know what to think of that..
i have no idea how it would now apply to all the people i've talked about it to...? but i mean, i trust them quite deeply, so if they're doing this, i guess they needed to?
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trying to work on this a bit tonight fwiw: https://trello.com/b/6MHFIpnA/vnetwork-community-onboarding
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I find this highly problematic.
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Reducing free features sucks but it's something that if you're offering a free as in beer system to people then - it happens. But taking away the ability to export data is predatory.
Maybe that wasn't the intention and was kind of an oversight but ya - that's a real problem. I'm happy I didn't get more people to use the software because then I'd be the one who made their data inaccessible.
Second, I can't recommend a tool to people without a clear pricing structure.
I guess I'll see what it'll take to set up my own deployment off their github...
Just email Colin and you will get you access. This was introduced a looooong time ago fwiw. Not a recent change
Thanks for your feedback. Will take it back to the team.
@itsmisscs I appreciate your responsiveness. 🙂
You’re welcome, Devin 🙂
selfishly—i would be _very interested_ in getting polis in a docker container because that would go a long way for my needs.
Me too. How can we make that happen?
Me three!
You can just do it 🙂 it’s all open source. Contribute back
My org could donate $500 to this and if we need to raise more could collect 501c3 donations for it.
yay @devin! I support that!
I wish the open source community building wasn't necessarily happening with this pressure -- ie. public features being missing that existing product champions feel are essentials. While I can personally ask colin for an exemption, i now wouldn't find myself recommending polis so unreservedly to people I know who don't have such access or clarity... 🤔
I wish the open source community building wasn't necessarily happening with this pressure -- ie. public features being missing that existing product champions feel are essentials. While I can personally ask colin for an exemption, i now wouldn't find myself recommending polis so unreservedly to people I know who don't have such access or clarity... 🤔
Polis team is working on a solution for all. I would hope that we all keep recommending a product that we know isn't being malicious and does champion people. The decision was made to provide the best service not to restrict or lock people out. It's still an open source product.
Me too. How can we make that happen?
Me three!
You can just do it 🙂 it’s all open source. Contribute back
You’re welcome, Devin 🙂
My org could donate $500 to this and if we need to raise more could collect 501c3 donations for it.
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yay @devin! I support that!
I wish the open source community building wasn't necessarily happening with this pressure -- ie. public features being missing that existing product champions feel are essentials. While I can personally ask colin for an exemption, i now wouldn't find myself recommending polis so unreservedly to people I know who don't have such access or clarity... 🤔
I wish the open source community building wasn't necessarily happening with this pressure -- ie. public features being missing that existing product champions feel are essentials. While I can personally ask colin for an exemption, i now wouldn't find myself recommending polis so unreservedly to people I know who don't have such access or clarity... 🤔
Polis team is working on a solution for all. I would hope that we all keep recommending a product that we know isn't being malicious and does champion people. The decision was made to provide the best service not to restrict or lock people out. It's still an open source product.
added an integration to this channel: https://civictechto.slack.com/services/BA2LYRSTT
working on the onboarding: https://trello.com/b/6MHFIpnA/vnetwork-community-onboarding
there's a glitch and the slack notifications aren't kicking off in here, but I'll get that working later :wink:
there's a glitch and the slack notifications aren't kicking off in here, but I'll get that working later :wink:
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<!here> Anyone have any other ideas of what things new people could be brought up-to-speed on?
Also, language in some places is bare-bones, and could be tweaked to be friendlier (bonus points for emoji)
@theobass any chance I could put a draft of your unreleased article in there? this likely won't be high throughput, but there's tons of great context
2018-04-11
Hey. Any here know @devin 's phone number? DM if you do. Thanks!
@devin if you are online, call me!
2018-04-17
@chewei has joined the channel
Just wanted to share this link as the best reference for a vtaiwan practice that I can't find my original source on:
https://www.slideshare.net/autang/orid-60305691#9
Basically, that slide is just showing how part of processing the initial discourse forum conversations was literally printing off the pages of the discussion and highlighting the various parts of sentences as facts/feelings/ideas (from ORID)
https://www.slideshare.net/autang/orid-60305691#9
Basically, that slide is just showing how part of processing the initial discourse forum conversations was literally printing off the pages of the discussion and highlighting the various parts of sentences as facts/feelings/ideas (from ORID)
anyhow, just wanted to log that somewhere
2018-04-20
2018-04-26
New onboarding initiated! https://trello.com/b/MTjrF3ju/patcons-vnetwork-community-onboarding
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👋 @dotoriworks here's the onboarding trello board I was telling you about 🙂
if you wouldn't mind offering any feedback, pls do drop it here or DM me! 🎉
https://trello.com/b/6MHFIpnA/vnetwork-community-onboarding
if you wouldn't mind offering any feedback, pls do drop it here or DM me! 🎉
https://trello.com/b/6MHFIpnA/vnetwork-community-onboarding
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hey folks! and thank you @patcon!
2018-04-28
@darshana @itsmisscs @lizbarry when you get a sec, pls do let us know your timelines for being online today :)
@dotoriworks and I are meeting in 15 min at the city's Civic Innovation Office, for their open hours. We'll mostly stick to ourselves while we get sync'd up, so as to let y'all get work done, but we might join call to share airspace (and careful not to consume attention while you're working :)
@patcon I’ll be at orbital around 3. Any time after is fine with me
🙂
I hope to be there around 3 as well!
Im on the way to orbital
Adding @nathan.p.storey to this channel
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Okie! Just got to civic innovation office in lobby of Toronto city hall, and convinced the director to let us cowork here for a few weeks 1-3pm. New format for them!
Haha office hours are only till 3, but @dotoriworks and I will hang and get up to speed. I'll aim to work on website if he gets rolling with reading :)
Feel free to drop any other priority tasks in here, or happy to move convo to #facilitation-fest-nyc!
Feel free to drop any other priority tasks in here, or happy to move convo to #facilitation-fest-nyc!
cross posted to #facilitation-fest-nyc https://g0v-tw.slack.com/archives/C9JMEGYTV/p1524852192000532
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Booked us on the 4th floor in the “long room”
Adding in some notes from meeting with @patcon today on this hackpad: https://hackpad.tw/Toronto-0427-EzT5v7qxKYk
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@lizbarry @itsmisscs @patcon @devin @katehnicholson @nathan.p.storey hey. can we please keep our travel updates and friday logistics chats to here? And the facilitation-fest-channel can be only the planning that involves Taiwan people directly? What say?
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what about just threading the local grapevine convo when pdoing the friday thing. like just a message that says:
> LOCAL THREAD: friday orbital meeting @itsmisscs @lizbarry @devin @katehnicholson @whoever
this everyone just has those chats in there? 🙂
> LOCAL THREAD: friday orbital meeting @itsmisscs @lizbarry @devin @katehnicholson @whoever
this everyone just has those chats in there? 🙂
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works for me
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Ah yes sure.
The thought of Taiwan folk waking up to the NYC traffic update every Saturday is funny, but maybe not for them 🙂
Why not use vnyc? Then this can be a welcoming space for nonnycers
Sure. Makes sense if we’re discussing NYC event.
I'm downstairs
because we have people from toronto involved
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it’s a network event 🙂
what about just threading the local grapevine convo when pdoing the friday thing. like just a message that says:
> LOCAL THREAD: friday orbital meeting @itsmisscs @lizbarry @devin @katehnicholson @whoever
this everyone just has those chats in there? 🙂
> LOCAL THREAD: friday orbital meeting @itsmisscs @lizbarry @devin @katehnicholson @whoever
this everyone just has those chats in there? 🙂
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
works for me
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