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2018-01-04
Totally love this idea!! Have always wanted to trip out a van and go places.
2018-01-05
<!here> re: doing an all-day vnetwork workday tomorrow (friday). how about we choose a place, and also open up an internet video portal at https://appear.in/vnetwork. we can all just chime in with availability, and (if helpful) when we plan to drop in (irl or virual)? who's interested?
also: what are our options for in-person locations, given the bad weather? liz's place? new lab?
also: what are our options for in-person locations, given the bad weather? liz's place? new lab?
Video conversations with up to 4 people for free - no login, no downloads. Create a video room. Share the link. Appear together. Try it now at <https://appear.in>
i'm getting into NYC by bus at 7:30am, so barring any delays, i'm down to start at 9:30am (i'm coming into NYC with western bearing, so should dodge worst of it)
I could pop into a conference sometime tomorrow. On west coast time so it'd probably be mid-late afternoon in NYC.
I can say hi for a little in afternoon (remote). Feel free to ping me if there’s a good time after you take lunch!
hey guys - how can i find you / don’t see you on appearin / are you finished?
@patcon
Awww, I'm so sorry, @katehnicholson! I misunderstood another convo and thought that a workday today had been floated, but that was for next week. I realized my confusion after my bus arrived this morning, but then fell asleep without correcting...! I hope you didn't rearrange anything, but if you did, I totally apologise :)
@patcon no worries at all— it was a lonely time in the room, but I survived. ;].Have a good weekend.
actually happening tomorrow!
@lizbarry aye just seeing this. Was out of city today, am round a bit now if you are still at it.
i'm getting into NYC by bus at 7:30am, so barring any delays, i'm down to start at 9:30am (i'm coming into NYC with western bearing, so should dodge worst of it)
I could pop into a conference sometime tomorrow. On west coast time so it'd probably be mid-late afternoon in NYC.
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I can say hi for a little in afternoon (remote). Feel free to ping me if there’s a good time after you take lunch!
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2018-01-06
hey guys - how can i find you / don’t see you on appearin / are you finished?
@patcon
Awww, I'm so sorry, @katehnicholson! I misunderstood another convo and thought that a workday today had been floated, but that was for next week. I realized my confusion after my bus arrived this morning, but then fell asleep without correcting...! I hope you didn't rearrange anything, but if you did, I totally apologise :)
@patcon no worries at all— it was a lonely time in the room, but I survived. ;].Have a good weekend.
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2018-01-12
actually happening tomorrow!
2018-01-13
this strikes me as a similar philosophy to how vtaiwan process engages with gov process:
http://www.niemanlab.org/2018/01/its-not-citizen-journalism-but-it-is-citizens-taking-notes-at-public-meetings-with-no-reporters-around/
http://www.niemanlab.org/2018/01/its-not-citizen-journalism-but-it-is-citizens-taking-notes-at-public-meetings-with-no-reporters-around/
Nieman Lab
Chicago's City Bureau is betting on local residents doing this sort of low-key not-quite-journalism at meetings, and now it's expanding the model to Detroit.
🚀 *Re: vNetwork Hangout Today*
heyo! <!here> are notes from any convos at New Lab today:
https://hackmd.io/GwdgLAHAnAhgpjAtFAjAViosMAMxkwhqIJwAmOARjgGYDGZdMQA=?view
(anyone is free to drop by, as we'll be here all day -- also we'll try to leave the video line open whenever we're sitting: https://appear.in/vnetwork)
heyo! <!here> are notes from any convos at New Lab today:
https://hackmd.io/GwdgLAHAnAhgpjAtFAjAViosMAMxkwhqIJwAmOARjgGYDGZdMQA=?view
(anyone is free to drop by, as we'll be here all day -- also we'll try to leave the video line open whenever we're sitting: https://appear.in/vnetwork)
Video conversations with up to 4 people for free - no login, no downloads. Create a video room. Share the link. Appear together. Try it now at <https://appear.in>
app links from David Wisner in Greece to help understand the long-established parliamentary tradition in the west http://www.simpalm.com/applications/magic-gavel-basic
http://appshopper.com/reference/parliamentary-procedure-robert-rules-and-top-news
http://appshopper.com/reference/parliamentary-procedure-robert-rules-and-top-news
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hey vNetwork does anyone know Anasuya Sengupta of http://whoseknowledge.org/why/ ? check out that massive Octavia Butler quote @itsmisscs
Shuttleworth funded!!
I also really like how they put up their research online. Need to do this.
hello @lizbarry @patcon @darshana, are y’all still at New Lab?
Hey! @lizbarry and @patcon have stepped out to bring lunch. I am at New Lab!
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I just got back to my grandmas. far too rainy to be at the beach.
it's rainy here too!
we’re connected via weather!
You should go say hi to Buoy lol
I shall introduce you some time soon
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I just got back to my grandmas. far too rainy to be at the beach.
it's rainy here too!
we’re connected via weather!
@itsmisscs we are back and on appear.in btw!
was on some calls talking through my d&s proposal
was on some calls talking through my d&s proposal
Are you all still on the call?
@lizbarry aye just seeing this. Was out of city today, am round a bit now if you are still at it.
Yeah ping me if you’re all still at it too, am around for a little now. Otherwise Sorry to miss the fun today!!
Shuttleworth funded!!
I also really like how they put up their research online. Need to do this.
@devin @katehnicholson hey guys (and anyone else who catches this) -- we (@darshana, @lizbarry, me) left new lab right around 6:30, so we just missed you :disappointed:
but we were just talking now, and realized that we owe you an apology. We realized that we sent a calendar invite out of band, just among us (kinda thinking it would be just for an article we're working on). but in retro, we should make conscious effort to make sure that when we meet up, it's always an open invite.
*tl;dr -- we did it wrong, and we'll be better next time :)*
but we were just talking now, and realized that we owe you an apology. We realized that we sent a calendar invite out of band, just among us (kinda thinking it would be just for an article we're working on). but in retro, we should make conscious effort to make sure that when we meet up, it's always an open invite.
*tl;dr -- we did it wrong, and we'll be better next time :)*
I appreciate this. Activist groups tend to get clique-y and that dynamic makes growth hard. Committing to openness and explicit outreach for v-related gatherings (as opposed to cc stuff which you should do with as you please) is something I personally would really appreciate.
Trye say. I appreciate you, devin!
SPEAKING OF WHICH
we were thinking about doing another drop-in session next friday (i'll be back in toronto, but will just in appear.in)
Who <!here> would be interested in getting together (in-person or online) in some capacity on that day?
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@patcon hey no worries at all. i should be able to say hello next week, can’t commit to in person at this moment, but will try to swing it if i can!
@katehnicholson cool! going to try to make sure we go into evening too, so daytime work people can still join or maybe make dinner together -- so save the evening!
I appreciate this. Activist groups tend to get clique-y and that dynamic makes growth hard. Committing to openness and explicit outreach for v-related gatherings (as opposed to cc stuff which you should do with as you please) is something I personally would really appreciate.
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I'd like to give a report-back on work related to data.mygov.nyc and discuss how it could (or could not) fit into this effort, so when you have scheduled a time to chat please let me know. thx
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I'm down. options that come to mind:
- video call and record for others
- schedule something that works for all (when2meet?)
- short presentation at proghacknight tomorrow (still record for those not present?)
- present during all-day newlab meeting on friday (liz posting deets now)
- video call and record for others
- schedule something that works for all (when2meet?)
- short presentation at proghacknight tomorrow (still record for those not present?)
- present during all-day newlab meeting on friday (liz posting deets now)
Trye say. I appreciate you, devin!
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2018-01-16
hey @katehnicholson, might you have a github handle to share? (want to add you to github org)
@patcon it’s katehnicholson (and very inactive) :]
I'm down. options that come to mind:
- video call and record for others
- schedule something that works for all (when2meet?)
- short presentation at proghacknight tomorrow (still record for those not present?)
- present during all-day newlab meeting on friday (liz posting deets now)
- video call and record for others
- schedule something that works for all (when2meet?)
- short presentation at proghacknight tomorrow (still record for those not present?)
- present during all-day newlab meeting on friday (liz posting deets now)
Looking ahead to the end of the week, this Friday Jan 19 will be another all day worksession in #vnyc 's New Lab and all are invited. We will open up a video link for folks not in NYC. More details soon, but probably 11-ish to start, for lunch we can order in food or bring a lunch, head out at 5pm and i am planning to be able to cook an dinner for everyone back at my williamsburg place which is a 25 minute walk away. Thanks @patcon for setting up the notes! Link to all vNetwork notes so far here: https://trello.com/c/UiT9zXBl/15-meeting-notes
@patcon it’s katehnicholson (and very inactive) :]
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@patcon saw your post about archiving :(( kinda dangerous/sad. what do you think about IRC instance for historical archive?
yeah, i'm bummed too!
could bridge to a riot instance... which is a nice bonus in that their rooms can be public/private/world-searchable/blah blah lots of options
ooo haven’t heard of riot
oh i like!
own your own data…open source
also, this could be an option:
https://hackmd.io/s/BynNGJX-W#opt-out-system
(linked from larger resource here, fwiw: https://hackmd.io/c/rynF_9jZz/https%3A%2F%2Fhackmd.io%2Fs%2FB1t-L8OMM)
https://hackmd.io/s/BynNGJX-W#opt-out-system
(linked from larger resource here, fwiw: https://hackmd.io/c/rynF_9jZz/https%3A%2F%2Fhackmd.io%2Fs%2FB1t-L8OMM)
or vnetwork discourse for important conversations and slack for chatter
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yeah, i'm bummed too!
could bridge to a riot instance... which is a nice bonus in that their rooms can be public/private/world-searchable/blah blah lots of options
ooo haven’t heard of riot
oh i like!
own your own data…open source
2018-01-17
also, this could be an option:
https://hackmd.io/s/BynNGJX-W#opt-out-system
(linked from larger resource here, fwiw: https://hackmd.io/c/rynF_9jZz/https%3A%2F%2Fhackmd.io%2Fs%2FB1t-L8OMM)
https://hackmd.io/s/BynNGJX-W#opt-out-system
(linked from larger resource here, fwiw: https://hackmd.io/c/rynF_9jZz/https%3A%2F%2Fhackmd.io%2Fs%2FB1t-L8OMM)
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# Pattern Library: Working Open - [Introduction](<https://hackmd.io/s/SJd6WLuzz>) ## Google Drive -
Patrick Connolly
no livestream yet, but notes here: https://trello.com/c/UiT9zXBl/15-meeting-notes
so nice to see everyone!!!!
sorry i can’t video so well but i’m 👂🏾
❤️
@lizbarry cute sweater/top 😍
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tomorrow at 9:30AM ET David Wisner (based at a Democracy institute in Greece) has offered to have a call and go over the basics of classic parliamentary procedure. He knows we (the larger we meaning g0v and vNetwork etc) are working on new forms of deliberation and wants to help us understand how it has been so that we can build on the years of work in deliberative democracy to make something really good. I don't want this to be a huge call, but if one or two people are interested in spending an hour "in class" tomorrow please let me know. either way, you can count on me to take superb notes and share.
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Don't count me for a spot, as I am happy to just cowork with liz and eavesdrop without taking up an official place :)
Super cool, look fwd to notes!
lovely person.
overheard some really great insights about goals of parliamentary process and roberts rules (ie. they are ALSO for creating space for minority opinions!)
for future ref, linked notes through here: https://trello.com/c/UiT9zXBl/15-meeting-notes
for future ref, linked notes through here: https://trello.com/c/UiT9zXBl/15-meeting-notes
he sent other links which i will post here and also add to the meeting notes https://www.icons.umd.edu/education
This is the ICONS project at the University of Maryland. I have been watching them for several years now, and I have occasionally used their book in my course on diplomacy.. The program has really grown. Navigate here for a look at the software they have developed for their simulations.
http://www.parliamentarians.org/services/learning-opportunities/
Some resources on the site of the National Association of Parliamentarians.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/31/us/for-senate-parliamentarian-great-power-but-a-sensitive-constituency.html
2003 article on what it is to be the Senate Parliamentarian.
This is the ICONS project at the University of Maryland. I have been watching them for several years now, and I have occasionally used their book in my course on diplomacy.. The program has really grown. Navigate here for a look at the software they have developed for their simulations.
http://www.parliamentarians.org/services/learning-opportunities/
Some resources on the site of the National Association of Parliamentarians.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/31/us/for-senate-parliamentarian-great-power-but-a-sensitive-constituency.html
2003 article on what it is to be the Senate Parliamentarian.
2018-01-18
Don't count me for a spot, as I am happy to just cowork with liz and eavesdrop without taking up an official place :)
@darshana @itsmisscs @lizbarry for that RightsCon proposal we submitted way back when: still not announced if we're accepted, but *travel assistance deadline is ~TODAY~ FRIDAY*
Details in email message. (See link in agenda of our Jan 12 meeting: https://trello.com/c/UiT9zXBl/15-meeting-notes)
Details in email message. (See link in agenda of our Jan 12 meeting: https://trello.com/c/UiT9zXBl/15-meeting-notes)
Should we also investigate submitting for @au?
(Also, my friend @bianca has already heard back that she's NOT accepted, so we've apparently made it through some sort of elimination round already 🙂 )
we should investigate submitting for travel grant! Didn’t see link to details in trello or doc. Can you post please. I hope its not too extensive
yes, let’s apply please for travel assistance!!
great news that we’re through to another round. how exciting.
@darshana sure!
agenda: https://hackmd.io/GwdgLAHAnAhgpjAtFAjAViosMAMxkwhqIJwAmOARjgGYDGZdMQA=?view
linked email: https://hackmd.io/EYZgjAZg7MCcAsBaArAYxo+AGCTheWU1hCwFMxgBDEAJioiA?view
agenda: https://hackmd.io/GwdgLAHAnAhgpjAtFAjAViosMAMxkwhqIJwAmOARjgGYDGZdMQA=?view
linked email: https://hackmd.io/EYZgjAZg7MCcAsBaArAYxo+AGCTheWU1hCwFMxgBDEAJioiA?view
Should we also investigate submitting for @au?
(Also, my friend @bianca has already heard back that she's NOT accepted, so we've apparently made it through some sort of elimination round already 🙂 )
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Yay! this woman just joined #vtaiwan channel and I'm so stoked about that! Her research seems sooooo cool and relevant!
http://nanchen.csie.org/projects.html
http://nanchen.csie.org/projects.html
Super cool, look fwd to notes!
@patrick.c.connolly_br has joined the channel
ok, moment of truth (test edit)
yay! works on betanyc #vnetwork channel!
also works in prog hack night #vnetwork!
aaaaaand civic tech toronto's #vnetwork channel 😉
@patcon set the channel topic: This channel is BRIDGED. Project dashboard: https://trello.com/b/ZzxRte37/vnetwork-task-tracker
@patcon set the channel topic: This channel is BRIDGED. Project dashboard: https://trello.com/b/ZzxRte37/vnetwork-task-tracker
@patcon set the channel topic: This channel is BRIDGED. Project dashboard: https://trello.com/b/ZzxRte37/vnetwork-task-tracker
is sorry for the setup noise 😬
ok, so these things are supposed to relay edits and deletes through the bridge, but it seems that I've found a bug: when it's more than just between two slack teams, it only sends the edit to one other slack.
I'll file an issue, but for now, don't assume everyone will see edits or deleted messages. I'll work on a fix.
I'll file an issue, but for now, don't assume everyone will see edits or deleted messages. I'll work on a fix.
a couple other things to note (will pin in a pretty message soon):
- reaction emoji don't go through.
- threads get unthreaded. this means quotes and references to the topic you're replying to become a bit more important, ESPECIALLY for old threads
- once we're comfortable that this works well, we can leave the dup channels in all but one slack
- reaction emoji don't go through.
- threads get unthreaded. this means quotes and references to the topic you're replying to become a bit more important, ESPECIALLY for old threads
- once we're comfortable that this works well, we can leave the dup channels in all but one slack
(final edit test for bug report...)
wow! i love this bridget thing!!!
great job getting this in @patcon!
yay!
ya nice job
we should investigate submitting for travel grant! Didn’t see link to details in trello or doc. Can you post please. I hope its not too extensive
yes, let’s apply please for travel assistance!!
great news that we’re through to another round. how exciting.
@darshana sure!
agenda: https://hackmd.io/GwdgLAHAnAhgpjAtFAjAViosMAMxkwhqIJwAmOARjgGYDGZdMQA=?view
linked email: https://hackmd.io/EYZgjAZg7MCcAsBaArAYxo+AGCTheWU1hCwFMxgBDEAJioiA?view
agenda: https://hackmd.io/GwdgLAHAnAhgpjAtFAjAViosMAMxkwhqIJwAmOARjgGYDGZdMQA=?view
linked email: https://hackmd.io/EYZgjAZg7MCcAsBaArAYxo+AGCTheWU1hCwFMxgBDEAJioiA?view
2018-01-19
lovely person.
overheard some really great insights about goals of parliamentary process and roberts rules (ie. they are ALSO for creating space for minority opinions!)
for future ref, linked notes through here: https://trello.com/c/UiT9zXBl/15-meeting-notes
for future ref, linked notes through here: https://trello.com/c/UiT9zXBl/15-meeting-notes
I am getting a lot of hard to escape demands on my tomorrow :(
what a cute way of saying one can’t make it. i’m saving this.
Me too it would seem!!
😞
shall we re-convene another time?
I will write and send the abstract for School of Data workshop though!
That’s due tomorrow
i’m back on saturday y’all!
can’t wait to see faces
yay! yes ack i really look forward to joining orbital for lunch if not today then soon! would love to have that as a plan for next week (after i survive my first day of class!)
this week i'm out of weekday time for g0v projecting because of going to ProgHackNight and having a call yesterday AM on parliamentary procedure 😝
what a cute way of saying one can’t make it. i’m saving this.
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Me too it would seem!!
😞
shall we re-convene another time?
I will write and send the abstract for School of Data workshop though!
That’s due tomorrow
i’m back on saturday y’all!
can’t wait to see faces
he sent other links which i will post here and also add to the meeting notes https://www.icons.umd.edu/education
This is the ICONS project at the University of Maryland. I have been watching them for several years now, and I have occasionally used their book in my course on diplomacy.. The program has really grown. Navigate here for a look at the software they have developed for their simulations.
http://www.parliamentarians.org/services/learning-opportunities/
Some resources on the site of the National Association of Parliamentarians.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/31/us/for-senate-parliamentarian-great-power-but-a-sensitive-constituency.html
2003 article on what it is to be the Senate Parliamentarian.
This is the ICONS project at the University of Maryland. I have been watching them for several years now, and I have occasionally used their book in my course on diplomacy.. The program has really grown. Navigate here for a look at the software they have developed for their simulations.
http://www.parliamentarians.org/services/learning-opportunities/
Some resources on the site of the National Association of Parliamentarians.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/31/us/for-senate-parliamentarian-great-power-but-a-sensitive-constituency.html
2003 article on what it is to be the Senate Parliamentarian.
yay! yes ack i really look forward to joining orbital for lunch if not today then soon! would love to have that as a plan for next week (after i survive my first day of class!)
this week i'm out of weekday time for g0v projecting because of going to ProgHackNight and having a call yesterday AM on parliamentary procedure 😝
2018-01-21
hey, just realized that the OpenCollective Foundation could be our fiscal sponsor like right now:
https://opencollective.com/foundation
https://opencollective.com/foundation
opencollective.com
This is the host organization for the charitable mission collectives.
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> What do we do?
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> The Foundation’s mission is to promote projects in the US with the following charitable purposes:
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> * developing tools to improve civic participation within cities or communities.
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> [...]
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> Civic Participation
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> We will sponsor projects aimed at fostering civic participation, democratic debate, rebuild community ties and strengths.
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> Examples of collectives in this category are Civic Innovation Network and Democracy Earth
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> The Foundation’s mission is to promote projects in the US with the following charitable purposes:
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> * developing tools to improve civic participation within cities or communities.
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> [...]
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> Civic Participation
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> We will sponsor projects aimed at fostering civic participation, democratic debate, rebuild community ties and strengths.
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> Examples of collectives in this category are Civic Innovation Network and Democracy Earth
obviously must stick to USA things, but that means any of these could create be a banner for a collective:
* g0v USA
* vNetwork USA
* vNYC
* g0v USA
* vNetwork USA
* vNYC
perfect! ok, so the project maintainer of the slack bridge we're using helped get a major bug fixed. now any edits to slack messages (incl deletions) get sent through to all other slack teams attached to the bridge 🎉
2018-01-22
Nice. I have some Open Collective experience - easy and simple.
2018-01-23
@patcon Hey - are you in toronto this week? i’m going to be in town weds night to screen our film at TIFF. It’s a quick overnight trip, but could find a second to say hello if you’re around. Also invited to see the film (7pm).
Whoa! Yeah, I'd love to! My parents miiiiight be flying through toronto on their way to Europe, but I will let you know as soon as I sort that. Thanks for invite!
(You should come to our hacknight tomorrow if you're in town. Or post-hangouts after 9pm. We're hosted by McKinsey & Company office this month)
(You should come to our hacknight tomorrow if you're in town. Or post-hangouts after 9pm. We're hosted by McKinsey & Company office this month)
Whoa! Yeah, I'd love to! My parents miiiiight be flying through toronto on their way to Europe, but I will let you know as soon as I sort that. Thanks for invite!
(You should come to our hacknight tomorrow if you're in town. Or post-hangouts after 9pm. We're hosted by McKinsey & Company office this month)
(You should come to our hacknight tomorrow if you're in town. Or post-hangouts after 9pm. We're hosted by McKinsey & Company office this month)
Meetup
1/23, 6:30 PM: Presenter: David is a collaborator with the Brookfield Institute for Innovation + Entrepreneurship and a data scientist at Toronto based tech company Polar, where he leads and executes
I have process question. I uploaded something to the google drive. It’s a pdf of someone’s photocopy of a book. If there is anything I need to know about sharing this type of content, let me know.
My personal feels is that we're good until someone asks us not to? :)
2018-01-30
My personal feels is that we're good until someone asks us not to? :)
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