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Month: 2021-07

2021-07-22

shaochieh.chiang 04:57:12
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ronnywang 15:55:27
#general 那則廣告訊息我可以行使管理權刪除嗎 XD
ronnywang 15:57:09
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ronnywang 15:57:13
截個圖，留下刪除記錄
chihao 16:02:19
要不要直接砍他帳號？😛
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ronnywang 16:02:59
剛剛看了一下 CoC ，好像有點難講他違反 CoC 哪一點 XD
『持續以言語或其他形式干擾演講、線上協作或其他活動進行』留言給他，請他不要再貼。下次再貼就協助他離開。
spam 的話⋯我覺得我的眼球被騷擾了（？）
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2021-07-26

chewei 18:06:25
我搜尋了一下共筆，找到這份 g0v-tw slack 備份記錄
預計用這個頁面當作 備份工作的進度註記，例如開始支援 emoji
https://g0v.hackmd.io/JSpk8RJTRbq5vsxzP8kbYQ?view

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g0v-tw slack 備份記錄 - HackMD

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S. 19:02:47
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Guo-Jim 21:12:31
slack archive 一度有備份 thread (至少 2020/05 還有)，有人知道為啥後來不見了嗎 (抱歉問好幾次了)
@ronnywang
我今天大松會來把這個修好，順便趁現在還在 pro trial 的情況下，我要來把 slack archiv e 增加可以讓大家備份自己的 direct message 的功能，讓大家更容易搜尋到自己的 direct message（不過這功能需要每個人各別同意）
我其實有點想幫忙
好了， thread 資料庫都有進到資料庫中，只是沒有顯示，我剛剛讓他都顯示了，所以現在 thread 也都是即時顯示
https://g0v-slack-archive.g0v.ronny.tw/index/channel/C01RDCVDGHZ/2021-07#ts-1627305151.1276
感謝榮尼！
direct message 功能也寫好了，但是有缺點是不能同時太多人一起使用，因為拉一個人的 direct message 就要超久時間

2021-07-27

2021-07-28

isabelhou 22:44:59
關於使用者@to 昨天在討論串中的言論「Stop acting like a dog and start acting like a human.」我認為已經違反COC，請slack admin處理。
owner @gugod @clkao @yhsiang
Great. I love when people take things out of context and fail to acknowledge what's the real issue here :/
(as g0v slack staff) this is not about the pii matter being discussed, but rather about conducting the conversation with offensive comments which is violating community CoC.
considering S. could be under distress making a case of his/her rights, and it has been a constructive conversation between S. and others. I propose:
• an official warning and requesting S. to apologize to whom the above explicit comments made to
• we do not invoke the coc’s last resort of suspending account at this point.
@clkao appreciate that.

I would like to clarify my comments toward that person:

That referring to someone to "act like a human, not a dog" - I feel super uncomfortable with the way people turning this case around and attacking me - it's easy to act cold when you are in the pack and anonymous (at least some are) and it's not about their personal data.

So I felt like that member is completely out of touch with reality and does not listen, throwing at me empty thoughts without trying to understand the circumstances I am in.

@shiva.huang apologies for the harsh words, I am sure you are a cool guy and we all have good intentions here. So peace!
Maybe I am, to use a Mandarin metaphor, re-frying cold fried rice here, but I can't help but notice you reacted with a thumbs-down to my message saying there was a CoC violation so I just wanted to circle back here to make sure that we have tied up all the loose ends here and we all feel like this was a proper apology.

https://g0v-tw.slack.com/archives/C02G2SXKX/p1627483432272400?thread_ts=1627480484.233800&cid=C02G2SXKX

The foundations of a good apology are a recognition of the harm done, an understanding of the behaviours that are harmful, and a promise that it will not continue.

To that end, I must ask the following questions:
1. Do you agree that your words in all the messages linked above constitute a CoC violation?
2. What will you be changing in your communication style to make sure that this doesn't happen again?
The reason I am bringing this up is, after this conversation, you continue to insult the intelligence of other community members who are trying to engage constructively with you, making it hard for me to take your apology seriously.
This thumbs down was left last night. Just ignore it.

Also, I think we have a double standards in community you try to police so tightly:

https://g0v-tw.slack.com/archives/C02G2SXKX/p1627536366430900?thread_ts=1627488615.350800&channel=C02G2SXKX&message_ts=1627536366.430900
1. Do you agree that your words in all the messages linked above constitute a CoC violation?
2. What will you be changing in your communication style to make sure that this doesn't happen again?
As Slack does not have a block functionality, I do *not* want to be addressed by you in your messages.
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bess 22:47:12
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2021-07-29

clkao 00:09:49
(as g0v slack staff) this is not about the pii matter being discussed, but rather about conducting the conversation with offensive comments which is violating community CoC.
considering S. could be under distress making a case of his/her rights, and it has been a constructive conversation between S. and others. I propose:
• an official warning and requesting S. to apologize to whom the above explicit comments made to
• we do not invoke the coc’s last resort of suspending account at this point.
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johnshao1990 09:35:39
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S. 16:18:29
Just wanted to point out that @caleb's "Nah you just suck" & "Why are you still here?" violates the CoC.

I find it counterintuitive and disrespectful to the community that after a member is asked to issue an official apology for the things they said and they do so, another member still continues to mock them with screenshots of messages they made in the past and already apologize for.

Replying "nah you just suck" under someone's official reply to false accusations other members directed at them earlier, indicates not everyone here tries to find a common language.

Also, the "Why are you still here?" and similar remarks might suggest that members in this community have an inclination towards deterring others or even silencing them if they don't meet their believes or values, instead of trying to befriend or at least - understand them, especially during distress.
Tagging @gugod @clkao @yhsiang to look into it.
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2021-07-30

Yi-Chung Dzeng 00:02:59
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calee 06:12:36
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kingman 07:01:42
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bil 12:10:42
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isabelhou 13:26:47

First of all - I want to say "I am sorry" to those who feel uncomfortable with me bringing this issue to the public in <#C02G2SXKX|general> or if someone felt offended. I did not mean to cause havoc here. I am coming with *good intentions* and for a good cause that is not just about me, but about anyone who might ever find themselves in a similar situation, regardless of where you come from or where you currently live. I was patient with my explanations and I tried to be clear about the reasons behind it. Yet, I can't help but notice that some people still trying to give me a hard time and I feel it's important to clarify it. 1) I was bullied by few members of the community that together, in constant consensus, silence the opinions of others to achieve their way, where I try to seek solutions that satisfy *BOTH* sides, not just one side, and I have been constantly articulating it. 2) I didn't call anyone a dog, I asked them to stop acting like one, and I asked them to act more like human during distress, when I am being attacked for my values, in a foreign to me community. Context matters and this is a *big difference*. To those who accuse me: please see two sides of the story, not just mention what is comfortable for you to see and take things out of the context. Yes, that's also a message to you <@U02TNG5TP> - I clearly stated in private conversation with you that I am coming here with good intentions and want to end this case in a peaceful manner. I wished you could acknowledge this, not just put me in a bad light with a message taken out of the context. Only very few people in this community know the entire story - probably just <@U038DCDRC> and anyone, who has been neutral enough to read between the lines, starting from my initial post. I think the conversation went too far about me being bad for not wanting my names to be displayed on government websites at all and the fact that the data won't be correct anymore if we start deleting records. Where all I wanted is that my names are not plastered over the web on random non-government websites, and up for abuse. Also, thank you to those who actually listened and cared enough, including <@U02G2US2Z> who apologized to me for this entire situation in a private conversation - I know you did not have to but it does mean a lot to me.

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acechen 23:34:45

請問有人收到類似的郵件嗎

2021-07-31

S. 16:30:44
I would like to report a violation of CoC for continuous harassment towards me by @chihao.
https://g0v-tw.slack.com/archives/C02G2SXKX/p1627718294208700?thread_ts=1627646212.077100&cid=C02G2SXKX

<@U02950LRMPD> To me it’s quite entertaining to watch your repeated display of your obsession about ronny “not replying to your email” and now justifying your entitlement by the name of “radical transparency” when it’s not about that. You might even enjoy (I hope not) the convenience of your flawed framing — calling ronny and others hypocrites without actually saying it. It’s unhealthy. To follow your ball metaphor, I am not on that court with you and this is not a 1-on-1 tennis match or whatever. Your framework of understanding this situation is off. This is a community space and people are a reading, thinking, walking away, and coming back all the time. This discussion is not the Wimbledon and many of us are watching the Olympic games now. Everyone has their own priorities.

S. 16:31:16
This is *NOT* community spirit.
yhsiang 17:09:31
Sorry I didn’t join your discussion before. But from my view, I don’t consider it’s a violation of CoC. and even I don’t understand why it’s related to “community spirit”?
chihao 17:09:42
@to Aiyaya… do you consider my public replies to you (in the larger context of me trying to follow the discussion) in a public forum continuous harassment? I thought I was just sharing my observation of your public behavior and pointing out the many failures in your arguments in a public manner to help clarify things and hopefully help someone else who might share my many questions. I am very sorry that my actions made you feel uncomfortable. Thank you for this reporting.
chihao 17:12:38
(edited to fix some grammar issues… sorry)
gugod 17:24:24
evidently, you guys have been busy here.
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gugod 17:25:48
I’m just a slack admin, not a police, nor a judge. But I’d like to point out that escalating the aggressiveness / sarcasm is not helping for having communication.
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gugod 17:27:08
You guys can keep reporting CoC violations all day long… but the resolution would also be back on yours. Banning users is not a resolution

Please talk it out politely.
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yhsiang 17:28:02
I totally agree with gugod
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S. 17:44:56
@chihao you are being mean towards me - plain and simple. I can distinguish a friendly sarcasm from a toxic tone.

I don't know why you continue to talk this way to newcomers who already have a hard time finding their way in this community after coming here with good intentions?

This is not how community thrives and neither you nor others who used or continue to be toxic towards me are making me feel welcomed here.

That also goes to you @caleb - the guy who thinks he has immunity here and can always talk his way out of CoC violation cause he has friends.
isabelhou 18:38:39
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isabelhou 18:49:58
我認為需要有個spread sheet整理提報的結果，哪些被處理，哪些不被處理，處理的方式。漸漸會形成標準。
一直想要弄個 nocodb，也許可以弄個來嘗試這個 lol
感覺最後可以形成某種判例或統一見解之類的東西XD
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