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facilitation-fest-nyc

Month: 2018-04

2018-04-01

lizbarry 03:07:41
Hi @darshana here's the trello board to add the next steps you jotted down in your notebook ❤️
lizbarry 03:07:42
https://trello.com/b/CvSNRoHZ/facilitationfest-planners
updated the trello board.
Also, submitted an events proposal to prime produce (details in trello)
thanks! Can you add me?
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dzn 10:03:55
Thanks @lizbarry! I’ll fill
dzn 10:04:09
Sending the second awesome foundation grant now!
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dzn 10:09:02
Hey @sylin. We picked dates — Friday May 11, Saturday 12. That’s the best we can do to get good attendance and balance all of our dates. Super sad AU won’t be able to make those dates in person 😞 😞. Can she join on video?

2018-04-02

sylin 11:14:38
Hmm we got some changes on her later schedule to DC. So she might be able to join us in NY on 5/11, 5/12. If you are still up for it 🙂
oh yay!!! That’s very exciting 🙂
Lol. Of course we are still up for it!
Could you send an invitation letter to shuyanglin@ey.gov.tw , cc Audreyt@ey.gov.tw ? I will forward it to our schedule secretary
Yes we will!
Rad!!
olivebranch.a 11:18:34
@olivebranch.a has joined the channel

2018-04-03

sylin 15:36:31
Fang and I are drafting this proposal - ny workshop -https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E-wqamROVahCgzbHi4W8NwDEnKiKRkVUoMtK0jawnOc/edit?usp=sharing
and we would like to ask what possible issues will interest you most, energy efficiency? outdoor recreation? climate change? immigrant policies?

2018-04-04

sylin 23:47:29
@darshana It was grt hearing your voice! Let’s sync up again next week with everyone here. 4/11 ny’s 10am/ taipei’s 10pm will be a good time
sylin 23:51:40
Again, an invitation letter will help us here in taiwan to get the preparation kickstarted. While we are having a week nationaly holiday from 4/4 to 4/8, so getting a letter from you before the holiday ends will be just great. According to that invitation, we are going to ask our po’s willingness to join our trip to new york on 4/9's po monthly meeting.
one question, is this letter just for you and au or also for POs?
for au and welcome her to invite her team will fit just right
alright. tx
dzn 23:52:09
Thanks Shu.
sylin 23:52:43
thank you for arranging all these 🙂 I’m really excited about this visit under my sleepy face
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dzn 23:53:43
@lizbarry @patcon @itsmisscs can we do 4/11 10AM EST?
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2018-04-05

dzn 00:04:57
Here are the notes from call with Shu — https://hackmd.io/qLjhSQRNQ9O7tHOUKMVgrw

hackmd.io

chat with Shu 4/4 - HackMD

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dzn 00:06:13
update on events space — Prime produce said yes!! 🙂
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dzn 00:06:39
They are up for some kind of revenue share. Let’s chat about this on Friday
wow! we might not have any revenue to share, but let's figure it out!!!!! Great news!
dzn 00:21:03
One more update — chatted with @olivebranch.a earlier this week. Seeing if we can swing it for a ticket for her too (might have a lead for some funding). We should confirm with Avross in maximum 2 weeks. For now, she has blocked dates 🙂
dzn 00:24:44
Let’s put this on Friday agenda too ^^
lizbarry 02:21:33
Lots of awesome news! See u friday

2018-04-07

2018-04-09

patcon 07:04:46
Working out of here tonight, btw: https://trello.com/c/0tbcbvRj/33-create-one-pager-website
dzn 07:41:13
@sylin Can you please take a look at this letter and see if it works — https://docs.google.com/document/d/102p0vz1NwQrOwwHfP0pg7RQXC5Au2ciLj-9I4tibHYc/edit?usp=sharing
dzn 07:41:17
Invitation letter to Taiwanese officials for June 2018 training event
dzn 07:41:26
please feel free to edit
dzn 07:41:57
(also add address info in the part highlighted yellow)
dzn 07:42:32
Once the text is finalized we will make this look official, add signatures, and send over.
sylin 08:36:18
Thank you all! Am printing several copies of this document and will share in the PO meeting with other 40 or so POs in few hours
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patcon 13:06:17
Hey all, I think I shared this way back when, but at risk of saying something everyone already know -- just wanted to point out now that we have the untranslated copy of the Participatory Officier 101 manual, if anyone wants to browse it via Google Translate 🙂
https://pdis.gitbooks.io/po-101/

(among the things in the airtable knowledgebase: https://trello.com/c/BJovztkf/48-knowledge-base)
patcon 13:09:13
planning to use this theme: https://event-jekyll-theme.github.io/

event-jekyll-theme.github.io

Your Title

Your description

2018-04-10

lizbarry 09:16:11
Awesome!!!
patcon 15:50:03
who is "po" in this document? assuming it's a participatory officer, any ETA on a designated person? 🙂 https://hackmd.io/nDfQsXLuTLukCoyPDnheLw?view#

hackmd.io

Facilitation Workshop in New York - HackMD

sylin 15:51:00
Yah, participation officer
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patcon 16:37:08
@lizbarry @darshana @itsmisscs generally, does this theme look like one we're ok to use?
https://github.com/g0v-network/nyc.g0v.network/pull/3 (preview available by clicking "view deployment")

GitHub

Add event theme template by patcon · Pull Request #3 · g0v-network/nyc.g0v.network

Look decent enough? (see review app link below) I'll start doing customization in other PRs cc: @ebarry @DZNarayanan @misscs

noice!! reviewed and left a +1 on GH.
sylin 22:33:27
Hey, I don’t remember if we discussed about this, but, is there any possibility to move this workshop to the end of May? like 24-25 May or 28-29 May. I understand how much extra work will cost re-organising, but just passing this quick questions here, in case you are actually also up for postponing a bit.
@darshana @lizbarry @patcon if it works for y’all and it’s better, feel free. i won’t be able to participate but i can help on the organizing front
I mean, we certainly could use more time, but i'm worried if @itsmisscs can't make it as she is our main video & media production guide, and we really need a good capture of this training in English.....any ideas on this?
I would not be the one recording. Just setting up the folks to handle it
I record interviews but would not trust myself with this since we want a produced video. If task is done right, another facilitator could take point with the media folks. I would be available remotely just not in person.
ah yes, i wrote "guide" in an attempt to convey that you wouldn't actually be camera person, but more like director. Do you think it would be OK?
Im sure it will be fine. I can pull patcon in on stuff so we have redundancy
The only bummer will be missing the event
could u come back for either of those weekends? (if we raised money?)
Mmm i can't say at the moment. I was not planning to come back so I've sent out feelers to conduct research while there
ooooohh....

2018-04-11

lizbarry 04:12:26
If us New Yorkers stay online until 10 tonight, can anyone from Taiwan-side jump on to discuss briefly?
dzn 05:55:23
I have 10AM ET/10PM Taiwan tomorrow on my calendar for us all to meet and discuss event.
dzn 05:55:44
I think that’s the time @sylin suggested
dzn 05:55:47
does that work?
patcon 06:10:34
(@darshana Saw card in our trello, but maybe this isn't the thread where it came from :) )
dzn 07:13:10
Had a chat with Tina from Orbital (who is a chef and designs experiences around food). She can do the cooking if 2-3 people volunteer to help prep (she will only charge for ingredients and supplies) and we will work together to design facilitation-themed food experience/s. Details (including budget) in here — https://hackmd.io/OtOSKTzcQJeNVIiAoHQX1A

hackmd.io

Food chat Tina Darshana - HackMD

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sylin 07:37:48
I can talk at 10
dzn 07:39:43
<!here> can we do 10:30PM/AM? I have a meeting until then.
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sylin 07:43:18
Ok
sylin 07:43:22
Thanks
sylin 07:44:35
Change to 5/24-25 is more for Audrey. I will check with Fang and Avross on their availability before 10.30. They are equally important
olivebranch.a 08:23:58
I won’t be online at 10:30PM/AM, so I’ll skip the call. As for changing the dates, I won’t be able to make it on 24-25/28-29 either. :( I’m totally fine with rescheduling, as long as it’s for the greater good 😊😊
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patcon 08:52:08
Im in for 10:30p ET tonight, if we do that! :tada:
patcon 10:30:31
are we in https://meet.jit.si/facilitationfest ?

meet.jit.si

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sylin 10:33:26
coming
itsmisscs 11:00:58
Slack do not disturb snoozed these messages. Sorry folks.
haha no worries, lady! ❤️
patcon 11:07:30
sylin what are the dates and name of the DC thing audrey's doing?
itsmisscs 11:07:38
I cannot do end of May. I can do as early as June 5
patcon 11:08:15
@itsmisscs even if we will divert the monies we save from flying audrey toward getting you back from whatever narnia you are in?
Sweet gesture but end of May is not possible for me. I can join remotely :)
more deets in may, but they're also trying to stay under flight quota, as gov is monitoring number of fligths from tw-america. so two-in-one is helpful for them
patcon 11:08:53
(at end of may, audrey's flight is covered by others)
itsmisscs 11:10:25
Mmm that's nice.
itsmisscs 11:11:17
I would really love to be there but if I'm the only date holding back an ideal time, why not just pick the ideal time
patcon 11:12:02
what is the thing you're doing on those dates? CSS con? or is it personal friending or family'ing?
patcon 11:12:20
may 25/26, that is
itsmisscs 11:13:31
Research/interviews and conference/talk preparation. I started lining up things running under the assumption we'd locked in our dates
itsmisscs 11:19:11
What about June 5/6 or 6/7?
sylin 11:21:23
@patcon that’s the thing I have trouble figuring out too…
sylin 11:23:26
but I was just told 5/26-27 Au is scheduled to be in DC, so we will either do 5/24-25, Au attends both days, or 5/25-26, Au attends on the first day.
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sylin 11:25:24
BUT, apparently the DC trip can be rescheduled too. just that we need to confirm with them. 6/15-16 is still an option, but more ppl to confirm with.
itsmisscs 11:25:59
is earlier in june not possible?
itsmisscs 11:26:16
or after 17th?
sylin 11:28:20
it’s not impossible, I am open for more having more options in June listed down so we can check with the DC ppl.
sylin 11:30:19
but I am still high up for 5/24-25 if that works for everyone, including flying cs back.
itsmisscs 11:30:44
I can’t speak for others but anything after 17th is open for me or there’s the 3 days before PDF (5-6th) or 10-13th
itsmisscs 11:33:25
folks, why not just confirm the 24-25 May?
itsmisscs 11:33:38
it seems those are the best dates for everyone.
itsmisscs 11:35:11
or some other time in the summer 😛 fall or winter lol
sylin 11:39:16
yah. or next year, when ministry of foreign affair reset their counter
itsmisscs 11:39:36
next year is so far away
itsmisscs 11:42:34
24-25 May 🎯
itsmisscs 11:42:53
can we just call that the date?
sylin 13:23:57
Just chatted with Audrey, so delightful! June is also good for us. We can accommodate as long as the New York team provide some options you feel comfortable with, and we will happily use that to negotiate with DC ppl. Cheers guys.
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dzn 13:45:45
Thanks!! You peeps are the sweetest. ❤️❤️❤️
dzn 13:45:55
How far into June will be fine with you?
sylin 13:46:53
we can accommodate
lizbarry 19:40:21
Exciting!!!!
lizbarry 19:44:33
So, on our side, I'll update communications with the people I've approached so far for support/attendance (less than 5). @darshana if you have time to check in with Prime Produce about their availability that would be awesome. Also maybe Joe K as well.
Was just speaking with my friend @mhellstern (who works in the Bloomberg Civic Innovation Office in Toronto City Hall), who expressed interest in sending people to NYC for facilitation fest.

When I told her the price, she suggested strongly that we tier the costs to allow gov (and maybe private partners) to subsidize community. She said gov stakeholders have permission to spend SO MUCH MORE for staff skills development
This is good to learn!!! Let’s discuss this at next meeting!!
Nice sleuthing @patcon 🙂
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itsmisscs 19:57:53
Fabulous ✨✨ thank you for accommodating @sylin
dzn 21:19:22
what dates are we shooting for in June? I would prefer early rather than late June.
lizbarry 23:26:34
*how about the 3 days before PDF (5-6th) or 10-13th?*
Lol this poll is asking two questions hehe

2018-04-12

lizbarry 00:37:55
Not to derail this, i'm starting a thread here for Friday's regular in-person NYC workschedule:
i can get to Orbital by 3:30pm (sorry it's so late, i couldn't get a better physical therapy appointment). How about we properly open up a video meeting at 4pm ET?
I am in training until 5pm and then there’s the departure dance
Next Friday I am training in MX. After that, my Friday’s open up again
I will be at orbital.
I told Christina we will find her to chat about crowdfunding on Friday. She wants to meet at 4PM. @lizbarry that ok with you?
that's great!
we will miss you CS!
Ok, so maybe no video meeting then this Friday, just in person, and i will arrive as much as possible before 4pm
Quick idea to put in everyone's brain ahead of time, with the (temporary?) change in access to Pol.is, it seems like we could include $500 or more for setting up a working publicly hosted version of Pol.is. I think Devin wants this to exist, and we kind of need it
include $500 in sponsorship?
That's complicated. Polis is not set up that way. It was never configured to work with local db.
We have an unlocked version we can use while Polis sorts out the install issue which the team is actively working on
There's some exciting news coming from the Polis team that I expect many folks will be elated about. In the time being, I would direct Devin to talk with Chris Small. Maybe he can amp up the efforts in time.
I can speak to Devin about Polis to see what he has in mind.
Also send him Chris's way.
Not presh, but I'm in https://meet.jit.si/facilitationfest if it fits your work mode. catching up anyhow
dzn 00:47:02
10-13th will work better for me. Right before PDF will be a squeeze, I’m helping organize the conference.
itsmisscs 00:54:44
10-13th works for me. Or after AMC, if you want some resting time
dzn 03:30:09
10-13th is fine with me. That's a Monday/tues though.
dzn 03:33:15
After AMC (after June 17th) is not ideal for me but can do is that's the best dates for everyone else.
dzn 03:34:56
I am also totally ok with skipping AMC for this. We should figure out if potential training attendees can make it despite AMA happening.

2018-04-13

itsmisscs 04:35:46
I would like to attend AMC. I have already told various networks that I would be there
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dzn 05:02:07
I just chatted with prime produce today about their availability for June. Details here — https://hackmd.io/pv2gBO_PSByO8vRkCR6KnQ?both

hackmd.io

Prime Produce — event space for facilitation training - HackMD

Wow thanks for this Darshana!!!!
I'm adding people's conflicts so we can see what's good
June 11-12 looks good
Excellent @darshana!
fuckin rad notes! Stored here now: https://trello.com/c/vMvA4MGU/25-venue
Thanks @patcon!
Also, I’ll update trello!!
sylin 21:35:21
updates?
sylin 21:35:28
😉
sylin 21:56:07
Let me know if you have settled that dates! TGIF
Yo @sylin. Will June 11 and 12 work for Taiwan crew?
That’s the number 1 date we have so far.
Prime produce is the event location
Hope 11/12 works for Taiwan folk!!
olivebranch.a 2018-04-14 09:03:57
@darshana Count me in on June 11/12, please!!!
Fang check, Shu check, AU (re-scheduling some internal appointments)
@olivebranch.a nice shout 😄
olivebranch.a 2018-04-14 10:19:11
I’ll definitely stick with you all
6/11 12 it is
@everyone we have blocked 6/11-12 for the Taiwan crew: au, fang, avross, shu
yay yay!! The next bit to figure out is how many people you can get funding for?
@sylin You mentioned something about au being able to get funding from your government? Is it still possible?
yes, we are figuring out that part.
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2018-04-14

dzn 01:30:27
@lizbarry and I are getting together soon. We will finalize and send you a few dates
dzn 02:57:17
I spoke to Prime Produce about the video recording they did for the cybernetics conference
dzn 02:58:06
Jolly did it. Het set everything up and recorded directly from the microphones to get better sound quality.
dzn 02:58:14
Sample of the recording — https://livestream.com/internetsociety2/cybercon

Livestream

Cybernetics Conference by Internet Society (Channel 2)

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dzn 02:58:23
he charged $700 for the day
cool! thanks! Bringing into the board here:
https://trello.com/c/ifviz7h6/36-video-production

Did you get the sense that the $700 was for the equipment rental, and he worked for free? Or was the $700 his labour? (Or did Prime provide all the equipment?)
I believe he has all the recording equipment. Not sure about mics
he has mics too. $700 for equipment and labor
patcon 04:00:56
Was just speaking with my friend @mhellstern (who works in the Bloomberg Civic Innovation Office in Toronto City Hall), who expressed interest in sending people to NYC for facilitation fest.

When I told her the price, she suggested strongly that we tier the costs to allow gov (and maybe private partners) to subsidize community. She said gov stakeholders have permission to spend SO MUCH MORE for staff skills development
patcon 04:33:21
Looking at liz's calendar (and some combined calendar bullets I collated),
seems we're leaning toward Mon/Tue Jun 11/12, right?
https://hackmd.io/pv2gBO_PSByO8vRkCR6KnQ?view#Combined

hackmd.io

Prime Produce — event space for facilitation training - HackMD

Loving the bullets

2018-04-15

2018-04-16

sylin 11:26:24
@darshana could you modify the names, dates on that invitation letter and send to Audrey, Fang & me?
Or could I go ahead and do it right over that shared doc?
dzn 11:35:05
Hey. Feel free to go ahead to edit.
dzn 11:35:16
Do we need to sign?
sylin 11:37:30
No signature needed. 🙂 we only need that as an attachment to mark the trip in our system.
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sylin 12:05:06
As for Audrey’s schedule in New York. Although most of us can attend two whole days, I think it’s very important to arrange officials meeting with Audrey on the same day. Either 11th or 12th are okay, just if she could choose, the preference is the 12th.
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sylin 13:39:54
As for Fang’s workshop, especially about it’s topic and process, do you have a preference on what topic to use (@darshana mentioned we might have few people from policy making, facilitation & urban design background)? any expectation on the process (do we prefer simulate the entire 5 hours workshop or 2 hour intro + 3 hours open discussion)?

2018-04-17

dzn 07:09:29
Is this 5 hours each day or 5 hours in one day? We have a long lunch break so there will be time for informal discussion. If you feel open discussion around specific issues is useful, then some built-in time for discussion will be good.
dzn 07:10:25
Whatever is better for learning the art of facilitation works for us!
dzn 07:10:55
If you are planning in a doc, we can add comments.
sylin 08:07:59
Ok. As this is becoming more solid, I will pull @fang in this channel for directly discussing on workshop content if you guys are OK.
please invite @fang 🙂
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sylin 08:10:33
@fang drafted this document for facilitation workshop. We were just discussing yesterday, to have it more introductory than a workshop simulation/replay.
itsmisscs 21:18:03
Can you clarify what you mean between introductory vs workshop simulation?
itsmisscs 21:20:08
Perhaps we can chat through some things buts hoping on a call with Fang may be ideal.
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2018-04-18

Fang 10:11:15
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2018-04-21

devin 04:08:20
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au 04:08:42
@au has joined the channel

2018-04-22

dzn 01:54:26
@sylin @fang @olivebranch.a @au Don’t know if you have already met @devin. If you haven’t — Devin has long years organizing initiatives in the free/libre/open-source space, to help communities and organizations benefit from the best practices of others. He’s a fellow plotter!

Devin is working on getting some press around the training event and your exchange with U.S. elected officials and civil servants.
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dzn 01:58:33
Can you please us know what exact dates you can be here. Right now we have June 11 and 12 marked for training and June 12 evening for meeting with city officials. Will you be here any time before or after? We want you to visit for as long as you can! 💗
olivebranch.a 2018-04-22 07:36:53
Fantastic! My ETA for now is late evening on June 9, and I can stay there for around a week. How does this sound?
My stay in NY is June 11-13 (I’ll likely visit DC on June 7-10).
In the unlikely event of official visits in DC for morning of 11th, it’s possible for me to arrive at NY on the afternoon/evening of 11th instead of the night before.
I hope that DC scheduling allows you to get here 10th night. Let us know how that works out.
Will you be available on the day of the 13th as well?
@darshana I can either fly out on 13th night or even 14th (I don’t have anything booked in Taiwan that week anyway), but as MoFA will want to now who I meet each day, it’s preferable if we can arrange some meetings of diplomatic value on the 13th so I can justify to stay 1-2 more days
ok! we can do this. We’ll send you a list as it comes together. If you have any requests please send along and we will find those people for you.
Do we have pics, bios, websites/handles for the vTaiwan experts/speakers?
Not yet. We’ll get there soon.
dzn 02:07:48
also, let us know if you have any objections to becoming NYC celebrities 🙂
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dzn 08:16:40
@sylin @fang I read through the workshop planning doc. Thanks for sharing! My comments are in the doc, so it doesn’t get mixed in with other planning in slack.
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dzn 08:25:16
Below is a document that has our description of the workshop (so far only sent to some potential sponsors). After reading your workshop description, it seems that you and us are describing the training in very different ways😅 Let’s find a common way to frame the workshop? Please feel free to make comments on the document.
olivebranch.a 2018-04-22 11:07:44
vTaiwan and PO are operating separately and independently in Taiwan, but the description seems to mix them altogether. I think it’ll be fun to blend them 😂, but we definitely need to frame the agenda up front. Like sorting out the order and the degree of how much we need to dig in about these two practices
Ah! This makes more sense. Maybe we can do both? One on each day? What training did you get to become a facilitator for the NCII case?
olivebranch.a 2018-04-22 12:57:26
Yeah sounds good, but maybe focusing more on PO given that so many public officials will attend the workshop. I learned the ORID method to become a facilitator and happened to be an editor for vTaiwan. 🙃
As I'm catching up here (still skimming), I am feeling that, from your perspectives in Taiwan, PO training might be the most appropriate content for government officials, and vTaiwan for grassroots communities.

Am I reading you correctly? 🙂
dzn 08:25:21
Cyberpunk Democracy: A “How-To” Guide — For Taiwan Team
dzn 08:28:17
also, let’s schedule a call for this week?
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2018-04-23

patcon 01:25:16
still catching up on backscroll, but added some potential strategic attendees from Canada here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WWUG4ZKaPrLQpYUWcb_E7qe15ylw6Plxzg_hAuKqviM/edit#gid=1408158447

Also, added some categories to clarify strategy a bit.

happy to add other columns so that my additions don't clutter up flow of others using sheet to track invites :slightly_smiling_face:
depending on whether we're looking at more vTaiwan vs PO training, I could probably tweak the suggestions.

For *policy/gov folks* there, my highest hopes would be that they left eager to help citizens run vtaiwan-like processes, not necessarily feeling the urge to run it themselves 🙂 Whereas for *community reps*, I might hope they leave feeling eager to initiate steps to run the processes in their own communities.

For example, if we do touch on vTaiwan, I am hoping that Bianca Wylie and other community folks might feel inspired to initiate vtaiwan processes for the Sidewalk Labs "smart city" project, and that the Canadian gov folks in attendance (city/provincial/federal) might be eager to support that 🎉
Does this feel like a fair aspiration to place on this workshop? Or am I overloading it with my hopes? 🙂
Not at all!! I have similar hopes.
I’m not as familiar with the PO officers program, would like to know more about the program to understand how those methods can be used here too.
Yes. We are not sure what you expect, yet 🙂 This proposal @fang drafted was mainly for documenting PO network. What links PO network (or it’s collaboration workshop) to vTaiwan is that PO is an institutionalised open consultation process, initiated from within the government. Those 70 participation officers are key players, or the “community” in a vTaiwan context. You could maybe see PO network as a one of the forks of vTaiwan by the government.
patcon 02:20:45
As I'm catching up here (still skimming), I am feeling that, from your perspectives in Taiwan, PO training might be the most appropriate content for government officials, and vTaiwan for grassroots communities.

Am I reading you correctly? 🙂
patcon 02:30:27
Does this feel like a fair aspiration to place on this workshop? Or am I overloading it with my hopes? 🙂
patcon 04:27:50
Re: attendee list https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WWUG4ZKaPrLQpYUWcb_E7qe15ylw6Plxzg_hAuKqviM/edit#gid=1408158447

even though I know everyone here keeping this in their heads, I added some columns for PoC balance and gender balance to the attendee list, to help uninvisibilize that aspect (i learned of this tactic while organizing some other events, but if it strikes anyone as crude or off-putting, pls do say so :slightly_smiling_face: )
Do we also want to include a column that describes a person's liklihood of using the techniques for their work. For example - do we want to highlight people who facilitate community/political meetings for their jobs/work?
Also - what about a column for their status? Is there an approval process for inviting people?
> column that describes a person's liklihood of using the techniques

neat. see below
> column for their status

👍

stole these from another speaker booking sheet, and added (happy to remove if not right for us):
- Don't Know?!
- Invited
- On Fence
- Scheduling
- Confirmed
> an approval process

not that i know of. but maybe there could be a light one to gutcheck? i'm fine with or without. 2 ideas (no preference):

- *nomination comment* in slack, seeded with :+1: :thinking_face: reactions. Another:+1: with no outstanding concerns = vetted?
- new *"enthusiasm" columns for each of us* as event stakeholders with 1-5 scale. to better capture who we have the most excitement for. totally not a science, but temperature check. core organizers views should have more weight. (this could proxy for "liklihood of using the techniques"?)
./me shruggie man...! 🙂
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sylin 11:26:16
hello, let’s chat. Fang will be with me in the same office in about 30 minutes. Otherwise tmr?
dzn 11:39:20
Hello.
sylin 11:39:30
yo
dzn 11:40:03
🤖
dzn 11:40:56
Tomorrow is better for me (I’m already fading today).
dzn 11:43:52
Tomorrow I can do 10:30PM and after. Will that work?
dzn 11:44:21
@lizbarry @patcon @itsmisscs ^^
dzn 11:51:32
10:30 PM EST/10:30 AM taiwan time
sylin 11:52:13
Let me ask her @@
dzn 12:05:07
ok. Thanks!
sylin 12:48:00
Ok!
sylin 12:48:30
Let’s talk on Tuesday 10.30pm/Wednesday 10.30am
olivebranch.a 2018-04-23 16:25:45
Yeah, I can make it on Wed. 10:30am too! :woman-raising-hand: Count me in
nice!
see y’all tonight
I can make it on Wed. 10:30am (Taiwan time) too!
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sylin 15:49:14
question: what does cyberpunk democracy mean to you?
This is how we have described it..
‘At its core, the vTaiwan facilitation process is profoundly human, yet also finds traction in the 21st century 1) through moments of assistance by an open-source algorithm that breaks people out of echo chambers rather than placing them within one 2) through harnessing the power of digital surveillance to create serious conversation, by keeping “receipts” of in-person and remote deliberation. These futuristic facilitation practices bring radical transparency to how we collectively decide to govern divisive social issues, producing high-levels of consensus while protecting minority rights and having everyone leave the table with the feeling of being treated fairly.’
To me "cyberpunk" is something that will scare or elicit an eye roll from ~50% of people who read this.
also I’d prefer “digital accountability technologies” over “digital surveillance”
the stakeholder discussion being transcribed is not, technically, subject to surveillance — any more than parliamentary debates are
(“surveillance” in Taiwan’s context carries a utility function to uncover criminal activity, which is not what this is about)
ah. The thought here was to take the phrase ‘digital surveillance’ which people associate with using technology to make our lives transparent, and flipping that around.
I see where you are coming from. It is strongly associated with uncovering criminal activity
@devin not onboard with adding some pizzaz? Democracy could use some pizzaz. Also, @lizbarry’s article which was titled the same is well recognized and popular. I’m up for changing if we can find something that is more exciting than ‘Facilitation Training’.
If you Google Image search "cyberpunk" over 50% of the images are someone with a gun or a scantily clad woman in a time-square-style dystopia so I'd be cautious using the term for a wider audience who might already be nervous about "online decisionmaking" etc.
hahahaha. it’s all images of ghost in the shell?
“Mixed Reality” “Calm Technology” “Cyberphysical Systems” “Noncontroversial Essence” “Conservative Anarchism”
I really like Cyberphysical Systems. That’s closer to the thought process we went down—future democracy and collective intelligence enabled by the artificial (a kind of hivemind, without the control element).
mixed reality is good too. Although so closely associated with the gaming sphere.
@au what’s the ‘conservative’ part in Conservative Anarchism? 🙂
“Conservative” has two meanings. One is that I have some values I want to preserve as in conservancy, as in conserving a tradition. A tradition is the tradition that I have been living in for more than 20 years now, the anarchistic tradition of Internet, code making.


I also mean conservative in the other part which is the approach.

A conservative is rather than a progressive, wants people to see that they can work with some new innovations, gradually, rather than changing, mandating, or commanding people to change overnight. Everyone who works with me joins on a voluntary basis. They say that goes on a voluntary basis. I try to facilitate it, but I do not give commands.

That was true before I was a digital minister, and it is still true now. I am a conservative in the sense that it’s a very gradual change. Nobody is forced to change if they don’t want.

# https://sayit.pdis.nat.gov.tw/2017-01-10-french-magazine-causette-interview#s24761
先承認你就是沒有人
maybe instead of Cyberpunk Democracy we're talking about Anarchist Democracy?
I get this but feel a bit wary of using words that have such a long history and much misunderstanding attached to them. They have a life of their own. Can be counterproductive to having a conversation, depending on the audience.
Cyberphysical Systems? Mixed Reality? Any takers for either of those..
Are we're talking about "Cyberpunk Democracy: A “How-To” Guide" as a title for the sponsor and promo materials? If so I think we could get away with just calling it "vTaiwan Open Consultation Training". It's possible we're talking about a different situation tho. And also - if people really like the title I'm 100% fine with it. Rough consensus etc. :slightly_smiling_face:
I’m not wedded to that title. From yours and @au’s reactions I stand convinced that we should go with something better. The training will also include the methods used in the Participatory Officers program so maybe a broader overall title will be nice. We will discuss the details of the training tomorrow night and get a better idea of what’s going to be covered. 10:30PM EST, details somewhere on this channel.
@sylin your question took us down a rabbit hole. kkkkk.
hahaha. Thank you @au for all those excellent wordings 🙂
Yup I love digging this kind of “keng” 🕳️
Creative Coding Taipei also has been pretty cyberpunk-focused these days. https://www.meetup.com/Creative-Coding-Taipei/photos/28516274/468032944/

2018-04-24

dzn 04:33:34
@lizbarry @patcon @itsmisscs @devin I’ve written a 1-pager for the Sloan Foundation grant (details in trello). Shared it with Noel for his comments too and will send it out some time this week.
Fang 10:20:11
I can make it on Wed. 10:30am (Taiwan time) too!
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2018-04-25

sylin 10:26:50
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sylin 11:11:37
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sylin 11:11:40
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olivebranch.a 11:11:41
just got cut off
olivebranch.a 11:11:45
sylin 11:11:51
didn’t know it only has 10 min
olivebranch.a 11:12:41
so where should we all go? lol
dzn 11:44:08
Cyberpunk Democracy: A “How-To” Guide — For Taiwan Team
dzn 11:53:36
kicked us out again
sylin 11:53:37
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sylin 11:53:46
sorry i am using free version
dzn 12:22:20
NY workshop_PDIS
itsmisscs 22:53:32
Thanks for the notes. I passed out early. Travel plus feeling a bit under the weather.
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2018-04-26

2018-04-27

dzn 09:28:15
Hi. For anyone who will be at orbital tomorrow (in-person or virtual), I put together an agenda. Please feel free to add — https://hackmd.io/u6o7ig6VS0ue4_LZsnc2Jw

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Agenda — Friday meetings - HackMD

Added to trello meeting card
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dzn 09:28:22
See you tomorrow!
patcon 10:04:43
i'll be online at 1pm
patcon 10:41:20
> an approval process

not that i know of. but maybe there could be a light one to gutcheck? i'm fine with or without. 2 ideas (no preference):

- *nomination comment* in slack, seeded with :+1: :thinking_face: reactions. Another:+1: with no outstanding concerns = vetted?
- new *"enthusiasm" columns for each of us* as event stakeholders with 1-5 scale. to better capture who we have the most excitement for. totally not a science, but temperature check. core organizers views should have more weight. (this could proxy for "liklihood of using the techniques"?)

2018-04-28

katenicholson 01:58:57
@katehnicholson has joined the channel
itsmisscs 02:03:12
Booked us on the 4th floor in the “long room”
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devin 02:05:40
ETA 3pm
dzn 02:10:26
on my way..
itsmisscs 02:24:49
4th floor is dope!!
itsmisscs 02:25:17
Better remote audio
itsmisscs 02:25:26
Come up to the right back in the long conference room.
patcon 03:25:07
such GEEEEAR
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patcon 03:26:29
@patcon set the channel topic: This channel is BRIDGED. Hover for details...
Dashboard: https://trello.com/b/CvSNRoHZ/facilitationfest-planners
Connection: Civic Tech Toronto <=> g0v-tw link.civictech.ca/about-bridges
patcon 03:27:00
@patcon set the channel topic: Hover for details...
Dashboard: https://trello.com/b/CvSNRoHZ/facilitationfest-planners
This channel is BRIDGED. Civic Tech Toronto <=> g0v-tw link.civictech.ca/about-bridges
dzn 03:30:46
NY workshop_PDIS
katenicholson 03:35:04
Hey everyone-- just a brief check in. I can’t make it today but will catch up with the docs / convos, and get an update later from Devin and whoever else wants to chat (or meet up this wknd). Know that I’ll be happy to lend some experience to the event planning / organizing. Have a good meeting!
lizbarry 03:36:54
So great to hear Kate!!!!! Thank you, and i think there will be some weekend work this time around! ❤️
katenicholson 03:37:28
Yayy. Great, I’m down for that.
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katenicholson 03:38:03
Moving to other channel :]
dzn 03:38:10
🙂 me too
itsmisscs 03:39:51
@itsmisscs pinned a message to this channel.

Hi. For anyone who will be at orbital tomorrow (in-person or virtual), I put together an agenda. Please feel free to add — <https://hackmd.io/u6o7ig6VS0ue4_LZsnc2Jw>

2018-04-29

dzn 14:05:15
hi. I’ve updated the cover letter for Sloan Grant and shared with Noel for feedback before he passes it to them. If you want to take a look — https://docs.google.com/document/d/18hWFUmEi85P32ay8mi-ctzsn-16_clrbLPPZlJAKpLM/edit?usp=sharing. Thanks @lizbarry for editing the main sponsorship doc. Was a huge help!
dzn 14:05:18
1-page cover sheet for Sloan Foundation grant
lizbarry 23:54:51
great, this is awesome!

2018-04-30

lizbarry 00:05:35
So these important documents are ready for your review, especially @katehnicholson as you may have fresh eyes:
* the Expression of Interest Form (please see if the media consent language is appropriate): https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1ANlWFvmAuOGU0NQd55-TashXpVM8FQAC7W0RNeLlVVw/edit (once people fill this out, and we accept it, we can send them a private Eventbrite link)
* Sponsorship doc (also awaiting @devin's additions, and also for g0v.network to exist @patcon @itsmisscs): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BbQjczNb1fBcQ-SJb3XfZzpP0e3pKF8kuWoe49mvXRY/edit
katenicholson 2018-04-30 01:02:06
Sure - i have a few minor edits if you want me to make them directly. Nothing big, just flow / ux of the form.
katenicholson 2018-04-30 01:02:13
@lizbarry ^^
yes please make them directly and let us know when to check it out! ❤️
katenicholson 2018-04-30 01:11:26
cool- just need edit access!
hi Kate! just shared - sorry i stepped out for a minute and missed this! hope you stil have a moment to do the edits 🙏📿
katenicholson 2018-04-30 02:32:51
sure no problem. Question they’re required to give photographic consent if they participate, right?
yes
Kate thank you so much for adding these nice sections!
lizbarry 00:09:03
*Considering i just @'d everyone it's fair to say i'm online all afternoon and available for any help i can provide!* Aiming to send the working website with documents out tomorrow 7AM EDT -- pep talk!
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dzn 06:46:14
@devin we’re having quite back and forth in the sponsorship doc. My long and short is — add/edit in any sections of the doc, just track the changes so we can all see. Then we finalize and send out tomorrow!!
dzn 06:47:03
I only wrote in the parts I know for certain.
lizbarry 06:55:00
Great, i see the back and forth. For the start time, i saw that Devin requested later than 9am, but i did not think we are able to accommodate that because of the actual amount of content that this training will cover . @devin, are you blocking 9am as listed in the sponsorship doc? Can we send this out to sponsors as is (9am) and then get more detailed in the coming weeks as we really get scheduling?
lizbarry 06:56:38
@devin, for the after hours stuff, please write it in as you have the vision for it -- i dont' think anyone took detailed enough notes on Friday to re-create it -- please add so we can understand
devin 06:57:47
My comments in the doc are resolved. I was taking the doc as an internal source of truth - not just a doc for sponsors. So none of my issues are relevant to that doc.
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devin 07:04:01
I'm looking through the Trello for a "single source of truth" doc explaining the event internally. Seems there are a few contenders. Does one exist? Maybe this one --> https://hackmd.io/AiTeW0bcQNShaI0HO4ivqg?view ?

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good question -- so, the convo @darshana had on Tuesday night with the Taiwan folks revealed a confusion -- that there is a Participation Officers training that is separate from training associated with vTaiwan.
We do not yet have the entire plan
Gotcha - but for onboarding purposes it's nice to have a place to go to see whatever plan currently exists.
there's some links in Trello, left hand column.
yes I'm aware
lizbarry 07:11:04
Thanks @devin!!!!
lizbarry 07:31:05
Thanks for editing @devin and @darshana -- is everyone happy and feeling confident they can send it out in the AM to their contacts? I am.
lizbarry 07:32:00
Can anyone offer an update on the website @patcon @itsmisscs ?
given that the website is a highly decoupled piece of this project (and most everything else is entangled), I'd suggest we create a bunch of github tickets for all the changes to the template, and recruit some eager people from ProgHackNight to have ownership of this part. thoughts?
ok, i'll pitch in toronto. if anyone has time to help stub out issues on GH in advance, that'd be rad!
Thanks for thinking about this @patcon 🙂
just jotting down some ideas for decisions that could be thought through: what the lead photo could be, what short pieces of text that we've just written for the sponsorship doc can be re-used, where the links go.....
That feels like a lot of cooks in the kitchen, no. I agree that we get it spec’d out and then perhaps we can pull in @devin and also will help guide me to what’s left
but i’m also quite pro collaborating with prog hack night
I can make some time today to put together the text for website. Should I go by the template that @patcon setup? @lizbarry if you have document where you were jotting down ideas, share please. If not, I will get started on one and share.
can also arrange for bios from taiwan folk
i have not created any document for this -- @patcon and @itsmisscs are leading
bios from taiwan folks would be stellar
i was just going with content we have in our docs. fit it into the template patcon selected. i believe it’s the same one pdf18 is running on
I can arrange for bios.
what else is needed? Let’s get this website done in the next day or so?
Then we can send sloan our project website instead of Taiwan’s. That will be ideal.
that would be cool if possible
Since the sloan money would pass through Sarapis I could create a page on the sarapis.org site with basic info and/or I could create an Open Collective page under the Sarapis Host Organization https://opencollective.com/sarapisorg#
Noel’s feedback on using the vtaiwan url — ‘There should be a local page. If not, you need to talk about how this money can help build that page...’
what does he mean by local page?
a page on the vnetwork site?
something that speaks to our project and is not the vtaiwan website
okay. so the site we are working on would satisfy that
dzn 08:32:06
@lizbarry I'm good with doc! Will do one last check tonight.
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dzn 12:00:58
@lizbarry @devin I looked over doc and finalized most of the comments there. @devin there is one change you still need to make (the international exchange bit). Otherwise good to go
dzn 12:01:48
In other news I just watched the grace jones documentary — she is so excellent! 😍
patcon 13:29:10
given that the website is a highly decoupled piece of this project (and most everything else is entangled), I'd suggest we create a bunch of github tickets for all the changes to the template, and recruit some eager people from ProgHackNight to have ownership of this part. thoughts?
lizbarry 20:07:46
I downloaded the PDF -- it looks gorgeous and i'm sending it around to the Sponsor options i'm responsible for contacting -- yay team!
I just sent updates to:
Dinorah Cantu at GovLab
David Wisner at MKD Center for Public and Humanitarian Service
Beth Coleman at UT's City as Platform Lab
Eric Gordon from Emerson's Engagement Lab
Sent to Joe at AA and David the Director of American Assembly.
Noel came back with some good suggestions for the Sloan cover letter
will work on that and send around a note for extra eyes.
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