#facilitation-fest-nyc
2018-04-01
Hi @darshana here's the trello board to add the next steps you jotted down in your notebook ❤️
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updated the trello board.
Also, submitted an events proposal to prime produce (details in trello)
thanks! Can you add me?
Thanks @lizbarry! I’ll fill
Sending the second awesome foundation grant now!
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let’s chat Monday. A little bit later ok? 10:30AM/PM? I have a meeting until 10:15 or so.
Hey @sylin. We picked dates — Friday May 11, Saturday 12. That’s the best we can do to get good attendance and balance all of our dates. Super sad AU won’t be able to make those dates in person 😞 😞. Can she join on video?
morning got occupied… how about tuesday?
2018-04-02
Hmm we got some changes on her later schedule to DC. So she might be able to join us in NY on 5/11, 5/12. If you are still up for it 🙂
oh yay!!! That’s very exciting 🙂
Lol. Of course we are still up for it!
Could you send an invitation letter to shuyanglin@ey.gov.tw , cc Audreyt@ey.gov.tw ? I will forward it to our schedule secretary
Yes we will!
Rad!!
@olivebranch.a has joined the channel
oh yay!!! That’s very exciting 🙂
Lol. Of course we are still up for it!
Could you send an invitation letter to shuyanglin@ey.gov.tw , cc Audreyt@ey.gov.tw ? I will forward it to our schedule secretary
Yes we will!
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Tuesday works for me
2018-04-03
updated the trello board.
Also, submitted an events proposal to prime produce (details in trello)
Rad!!
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Fang and I are drafting this proposal - ny workshop -https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E-wqamROVahCgzbHi4W8NwDEnKiKRkVUoMtK0jawnOc/edit?usp=sharing
and we would like to ask what possible issues will interest you most, energy efficiency? outdoor recreation? climate change? immigrant policies?
and we would like to ask what possible issues will interest you most, energy efficiency? outdoor recreation? climate change? immigrant policies?
2018-04-04
@darshana It was grt hearing your voice! Let’s sync up again next week with everyone here. 4/11 ny’s 10am/ taipei’s 10pm will be a good time
Again, an invitation letter will help us here in taiwan to get the preparation kickstarted. While we are having a week nationaly holiday from 4/4 to 4/8, so getting a letter from you before the holiday ends will be just great. According to that invitation, we are going to ask our po’s willingness to join our trip to new york on 4/9's po monthly meeting.
one question, is this letter just for you and au or also for POs?
for au and welcome her to invite her team will fit just right
alright. tx
Thanks Shu.
thank you for arranging all these 🙂 I’m really excited about this visit under my sleepy face
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copying that hackmd here too: https://hackmd.io/nDfQsXLuTLukCoyPDnheLw?view
hackmd.io 
@lizbarry @patcon @itsmisscs can we do 4/11 10AM EST?
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one question, is this letter just for you and au or also for POs?
for au and welcome her to invite her team will fit just right
2018-04-05
alright. tx
update on events space — Prime produce said yes!! 🙂
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They are up for some kind of revenue share. Let’s chat about this on Friday
wow! we might not have any revenue to share, but let's figure it out!!!!! Great news!
One more update — chatted with @olivebranch.a earlier this week. Seeing if we can swing it for a ticket for her too (might have a lead for some funding). We should confirm with Avross in maximum 2 weeks. For now, she has blocked dates 🙂
Let’s put this on Friday agenda too ^^
Lots of awesome news! See u friday
2018-04-07
wow! we might not have any revenue to share, but let's figure it out!!!!! Great news!
thanks! Can you add me?
2018-04-09
Working out of here tonight, btw: https://trello.com/c/0tbcbvRj/33-create-one-pager-website
@sylin Can you please take a look at this letter and see if it works — https://docs.google.com/document/d/102p0vz1NwQrOwwHfP0pg7RQXC5Au2ciLj-9I4tibHYc/edit?usp=sharing
please feel free to edit
(also add address info in the part highlighted yellow)
Once the text is finalized we will make this look official, add signatures, and send over.
Thank you all! Am printing several copies of this document and will share in the PO meeting with other 40 or so POs in few hours
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Hey all, I think I shared this way back when, but at risk of saying something everyone already know -- just wanted to point out now that we have the untranslated copy of the Participatory Officier 101 manual, if anyone wants to browse it via Google Translate 🙂
https://pdis.gitbooks.io/po-101/
(among the things in the airtable knowledgebase: https://trello.com/c/BJovztkf/48-knowledge-base)
https://pdis.gitbooks.io/po-101/
(among the things in the airtable knowledgebase: https://trello.com/c/BJovztkf/48-knowledge-base)
planning to use this theme: https://event-jekyll-theme.github.io/
2018-04-10
Awesome!!!
who is "po" in this document? assuming it's a participatory officer, any ETA on a designated person? 🙂 https://hackmd.io/nDfQsXLuTLukCoyPDnheLw?view#
Yah, participation officer
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@lizbarry @darshana @itsmisscs generally, does this theme look like one we're ok to use?
https://github.com/g0v-network/nyc.g0v.network/pull/3 (preview available by clicking "view deployment")
https://github.com/g0v-network/nyc.g0v.network/pull/3 (preview available by clicking "view deployment")
GitHub
Look decent enough? (see review app link below) I'll start doing customization in other PRs cc: @ebarry @DZNarayanan @misscs
noice!! reviewed and left a +1 on GH.
noice!! reviewed and left a +1 on GH.
Hey, I don’t remember if we discussed about this, but, is there any possibility to move this workshop to the end of May? like 24-25 May or 28-29 May. I understand how much extra work will cost re-organising, but just passing this quick questions here, in case you are actually also up for postponing a bit.
@darshana @lizbarry @patcon if it works for y’all and it’s better, feel free. i won’t be able to participate but i can help on the organizing front
I mean, we certainly could use more time, but i'm worried if @itsmisscs can't make it as she is our main video & media production guide, and we really need a good capture of this training in English.....any ideas on this?
I would not be the one recording. Just setting up the folks to handle it
I record interviews but would not trust myself with this since we want a produced video. If task is done right, another facilitator could take point with the media folks. I would be available remotely just not in person.
ah yes, i wrote "guide" in an attempt to convey that you wouldn't actually be camera person, but more like director. Do you think it would be OK?
Im sure it will be fine. I can pull patcon in on stuff so we have redundancy
The only bummer will be missing the event
could u come back for either of those weekends? (if we raised money?)
Mmm i can't say at the moment. I was not planning to come back so I've sent out feelers to conduct research while there
ooooohh....
2018-04-11
@darshana @lizbarry @patcon if it works for y’all and it’s better, feel free. i won’t be able to participate but i can help on the organizing front
I mean, we certainly could use more time, but i'm worried if @itsmisscs can't make it as she is our main video & media production guide, and we really need a good capture of this training in English.....any ideas on this?
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I would not be the one recording. Just setting up the folks to handle it
I record interviews but would not trust myself with this since we want a produced video. If task is done right, another facilitator could take point with the media folks. I would be available remotely just not in person.
ah yes, i wrote "guide" in an attempt to convey that you wouldn't actually be camera person, but more like director. Do you think it would be OK?
Im sure it will be fine. I can pull patcon in on stuff so we have redundancy
The only bummer will be missing the event
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could u come back for either of those weekends? (if we raised money?)
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If us New Yorkers stay online until 10 tonight, can anyone from Taiwan-side jump on to discuss briefly?
I have 10AM ET/10PM Taiwan tomorrow on my calendar for us all to meet and discuss event.
I think that’s the time @sylin suggested
does that work?
For this weeks chat, is Wednesday 10am/10pm locked in? Could we flip timezones so ET is 10am, for any time later this week? That way, those with daytime commitments, like @lizbarry and I, could participate :) no presh tho
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(@darshana Saw card in our trello, but maybe this isn't the thread where it came from :) )
It came from here, I’m pretty sure 🙂
I am fine with flipping!
Had a chat with Tina from Orbital (who is a chef and designs experiences around food). She can do the cooking if 2-3 people volunteer to help prep (she will only charge for ingredients and supplies) and we will work together to design facilitation-themed food experience/s. Details (including budget) in here — https://hackmd.io/OtOSKTzcQJeNVIiAoHQX1A
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I can talk at 10
<!here> can we do 10:30PM/AM? I have a meeting until then.
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Ok
Thanks
Change to 5/24-25 is more for Audrey. I will check with Fang and Avross on their availability before 10.30. They are equally important
I won’t be online at 10:30PM/AM, so I’ll skip the call. As for changing the dates, I won’t be able to make it on 24-25/28-29 either. :( I’m totally fine with rescheduling, as long as it’s for the greater good 😊😊
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Im in for 10:30p ET tonight, if we do that! :tada:
are we in https://meet.jit.si/facilitationfest ?
meet.jit.si
coming
Slack do not disturb snoozed these messages. Sorry folks.
haha no worries, lady! ❤️
Mmm i can't say at the moment. I was not planning to come back so I've sent out feelers to conduct research while there
haha no worries, lady! ❤️
sylin what are the dates and name of the DC thing audrey's doing?
I cannot do end of May. I can do as early as June 5
@itsmisscs even if we will divert the monies we save from flying audrey toward getting you back from whatever narnia you are in?
Sweet gesture but end of May is not possible for me. I can join remotely :)
more deets in may, but they're also trying to stay under flight quota, as gov is monitoring number of fligths from tw-america. so two-in-one is helpful for them
(at end of may, audrey's flight is covered by others)
Sweet gesture but end of May is not possible for me. I can join remotely :)
Mmm that's nice.
I would really love to be there but if I'm the only date holding back an ideal time, why not just pick the ideal time
more deets in may, but they're also trying to stay under flight quota, as gov is monitoring number of fligths from tw-america. so two-in-one is helpful for them
what is the thing you're doing on those dates? CSS con? or is it personal friending or family'ing?
nevermind, answered here: https://g0v-tw.slack.com/archives/C9JMEGYTV/p1523415784000093?thread_ts=1523370807.000557&cid=C9JMEGYTV
may 25/26, that is
ooooohh....
nevermind, answered here: https://g0v-tw.slack.com/archives/C9JMEGYTV/p1523415784000093?thread_ts=1523370807.000557&cid=C9JMEGYTV
CS
Mmm i can't say at the moment. I was not planning to come back so I've sent out feelers to conduct research while there
Research/interviews and conference/talk preparation. I started lining up things running under the assumption we'd locked in our dates
What about June 5/6 or 6/7?
@patcon that’s the thing I have trouble figuring out too…
but I was just told 5/26-27 Au is scheduled to be in DC, so we will either do 5/24-25, Au attends both days, or 5/25-26, Au attends on the first day.
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BUT, apparently the DC trip can be rescheduled too. just that we need to confirm with them. 6/15-16 is still an option, but more ppl to confirm with.
is earlier in june not possible?
or after 17th?
it’s not impossible, I am open for more having more options in June listed down so we can check with the DC ppl.
but I am still high up for 5/24-25 if that works for everyone, including flying cs back.
I can’t speak for others but anything after 17th is open for me or there’s the 3 days before PDF (5-6th) or 10-13th
folks, why not just confirm the 24-25 May?
it seems those are the best dates for everyone.
or some other time in the summer 😛 fall or winter lol
yah. or next year, when ministry of foreign affair reset their counter
next year is so far away
24-25 May 🎯
can we just call that the date?
Just chatted with Audrey, so delightful! June is also good for us. We can accommodate as long as the New York team provide some options you feel comfortable with, and we will happily use that to negotiate with DC ppl. Cheers guys.
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Thanks!! You peeps are the sweetest. ❤️❤️❤️
How far into June will be fine with you?
we can accommodate
Exciting!!!!
So, on our side, I'll update communications with the people I've approached so far for support/attendance (less than 5). @darshana if you have time to check in with Prime Produce about their availability that would be awesome. Also maybe Joe K as well.
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Was just speaking with my friend @mhellstern (who works in the Bloomberg Civic Innovation Office in Toronto City Hall), who expressed interest in sending people to NYC for facilitation fest.
When I told her the price, she suggested strongly that we tier the costs to allow gov (and maybe private partners) to subsidize community. She said gov stakeholders have permission to spend SO MUCH MORE for staff skills development
When I told her the price, she suggested strongly that we tier the costs to allow gov (and maybe private partners) to subsidize community. She said gov stakeholders have permission to spend SO MUCH MORE for staff skills development
This is good to learn!!! Let’s discuss this at next meeting!!
Nice sleuthing @patcon 🙂
Fabulous ✨✨ thank you for accommodating @sylin
what dates are we shooting for in June? I would prefer early rather than late June.
*how about the 3 days before PDF (5-6th) or 10-13th?*
Lol this poll is asking two questions hehe
2018-04-12
Not to derail this, i'm starting a thread here for Friday's regular in-person NYC workschedule:
i can get to Orbital by 3:30pm (sorry it's so late, i couldn't get a better physical therapy appointment). How about we properly open up a video meeting at 4pm ET?
I am in training until 5pm and then there’s the departure dance
Next Friday I am training in MX. After that, my Friday’s open up again
I will be at orbital.
I told Christina we will find her to chat about crowdfunding on Friday. She wants to meet at 4PM. @lizbarry that ok with you?
that's great!
we will miss you CS!
Ok, so maybe no video meeting then this Friday, just in person, and i will arrive as much as possible before 4pm
include $500 in sponsorship?
That's complicated. Polis is not set up that way. It was never configured to work with local db.
We have an unlocked version we can use while Polis sorts out the install issue which the team is actively working on
There's some exciting news coming from the Polis team that I expect many folks will be elated about. In the time being, I would direct Devin to talk with Chris Small. Maybe he can amp up the efforts in time.
I can speak to Devin about Polis to see what he has in mind.
Also send him Chris's way.
Not presh, but I'm in https://meet.jit.si/facilitationfest if it fits your work mode. catching up anyhow
i can get to Orbital by 3:30pm (sorry it's so late, i couldn't get a better physical therapy appointment). How about we properly open up a video meeting at 4pm ET?
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I am in training until 5pm and then there’s the departure dance
Next Friday I am training in MX. After that, my Friday’s open up again
I will be at orbital.
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I told Christina we will find her to chat about crowdfunding on Friday. She wants to meet at 4PM. @lizbarry that ok with you?
that's great!
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we will miss you CS!
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Ok, so maybe no video meeting then this Friday, just in person, and i will arrive as much as possible before 4pm
include $500 in sponsorship?
10-13th will work better for me. Right before PDF will be a squeeze, I’m helping organize the conference.
That's complicated. Polis is not set up that way. It was never configured to work with local db.
We have an unlocked version we can use while Polis sorts out the install issue which the team is actively working on
There's some exciting news coming from the Polis team that I expect many folks will be elated about. In the time being, I would direct Devin to talk with Chris Small. Maybe he can amp up the efforts in time.
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Lol this poll is asking two questions hehe
10-13th works for me. Or after AMC, if you want some resting time
10-13th is fine with me. That's a Monday/tues though.
After AMC (after June 17th) is not ideal for me but can do is that's the best dates for everyone else.
I am also totally ok with skipping AMC for this. We should figure out if potential training attendees can make it despite AMA happening.
I can speak to Devin about Polis to see what he has in mind.
Also send him Chris's way.
2018-04-13
I would like to attend AMC. I have already told various networks that I would be there
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I just chatted with prime produce today about their availability for June. Details here — https://hackmd.io/pv2gBO_PSByO8vRkCR6KnQ?both
Wow thanks for this Darshana!!!!
I'm adding people's conflicts so we can see what's good
June 11-12 looks good
Excellent @darshana!
fuckin rad notes! Stored here now: https://trello.com/c/vMvA4MGU/25-venue
Thanks @patcon!
Also, I’ll update trello!!
Wow thanks for this Darshana!!!!
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I'm adding people's conflicts so we can see what's good
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June 11-12 looks good
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Excellent @darshana!
updates?
😉
Let me know if you have settled that dates! TGIF
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Yo @sylin. Will June 11 and 12 work for Taiwan crew?
That’s the number 1 date we have so far.
More info here — https://hackmd.io/pv2gBO_PSByO8vRkCR6KnQ?both
Prime produce is the event location
Hope 11/12 works for Taiwan folk!!
@darshana Count me in on June 11/12, please!!!
Fang check, Shu check, AU (re-scheduling some internal appointments)
@olivebranch.a nice shout 😄
I’ll definitely stick with you all
6/11 12 it is
@everyone we have blocked 6/11-12 for the Taiwan crew: au, fang, avross, shu
yay yay!! The next bit to figure out is how many people you can get funding for?
@sylin You mentioned something about au being able to get funding from your government? Is it still possible?
yes, we are figuring out that part.
2018-04-14
@lizbarry and I are getting together soon. We will finalize and send you a few dates
I spoke to Prime Produce about the video recording they did for the cybernetics conference
Jolly did it. Het set everything up and recorded directly from the microphones to get better sound quality.
Sample of the recording — https://livestream.com/internetsociety2/cybercon
Livestream
Watch Internet Society (Channel 2)'s Cybernetics Conference on <http://Livestream.com|Livestream.com>. The Cybernetics Conference will take up the subject of information and agency; bringing scholars, technicians, activists, and artists in dialogue to consider the ways informatic systems shape social organization. This conference will ask how individuals and coalitions might develop strategies for situating themselves as effective agents of change within today’s complex information ecosystem. How might we move beyond a cybernetics of accelerated growth, and toward systems of interrelation predicated on cybernetic equilibria? <http://cybernetics.social/> Twitter: <http://bit.ly/cybercon>
he charged $700 for the day
cool! thanks! Bringing into the board here:
https://trello.com/c/ifviz7h6/36-video-production
Did you get the sense that the $700 was for the equipment rental, and he worked for free? Or was the $700 his labour? (Or did Prime provide all the equipment?)
https://trello.com/c/ifviz7h6/36-video-production
Did you get the sense that the $700 was for the equipment rental, and he worked for free? Or was the $700 his labour? (Or did Prime provide all the equipment?)
I believe he has all the recording equipment. Not sure about mics
he has mics too. $700 for equipment and labor
cool! thanks! Bringing into the board here:
https://trello.com/c/ifviz7h6/36-video-production
Did you get the sense that the $700 was for the equipment rental, and he worked for free? Or was the $700 his labour? (Or did Prime provide all the equipment?)
https://trello.com/c/ifviz7h6/36-video-production
Did you get the sense that the $700 was for the equipment rental, and he worked for free? Or was the $700 his labour? (Or did Prime provide all the equipment?)
fuckin rad notes! Stored here now: https://trello.com/c/vMvA4MGU/25-venue
Replied to a thread: 2018-04-11 19:44:33
Was just speaking with my friend @mhellstern (who works in the Bloomberg Civic Innovation Office in Toronto City Hall), who expressed interest in sending people to NYC for facilitation fest.
When I told her the price, she suggested strongly that we tier the costs to allow gov (and maybe private partners) to subsidize community. She said gov stakeholders have permission to spend SO MUCH MORE for staff skills development
When I told her the price, she suggested strongly that we tier the costs to allow gov (and maybe private partners) to subsidize community. She said gov stakeholders have permission to spend SO MUCH MORE for staff skills development
Not presh, but I'm in https://meet.jit.si/facilitationfest if it fits your work mode. catching up anyhow
I believe he has all the recording equipment. Not sure about mics
he has mics too. $700 for equipment and labor
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Looking at liz's calendar (and some combined calendar bullets I collated),
seems we're leaning toward Mon/Tue Jun 11/12, right?
https://hackmd.io/pv2gBO_PSByO8vRkCR6KnQ?view#Combined
seems we're leaning toward Mon/Tue Jun 11/12, right?
https://hackmd.io/pv2gBO_PSByO8vRkCR6KnQ?view#Combined
Loving the bullets
Yo @sylin. Will June 11 and 12 work for Taiwan crew?
That’s the number 1 date we have so far.
More info here — https://hackmd.io/pv2gBO_PSByO8vRkCR6KnQ?both
Prime produce is the event location
Hope 11/12 works for Taiwan folk!!
This is good to learn!!! Let’s discuss this at next meeting!!
Nice sleuthing @patcon 🙂
Loving the bullets
Thanks @patcon!
Also, I’ll update trello!!
@darshana Count me in on June 11/12, please!!!
Fang check, Shu check, AU (re-scheduling some internal appointments)
@olivebranch.a nice shout 😄
I’ll definitely stick with you all
6/11 12 it is
@everyone we have blocked 6/11-12 for the Taiwan crew: au, fang, avross, shu
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2018-04-15
yay yay!! The next bit to figure out is how many people you can get funding for?
@sylin You mentioned something about au being able to get funding from your government? Is it still possible?
yes, we are figuring out that part.
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2018-04-16
@darshana could you modify the names, dates on that invitation letter and send to Audrey, Fang & me?
Or could I go ahead and do it right over that shared doc?
Or could I go ahead and do it right over that shared doc?
Hey. Feel free to go ahead to edit.
Do we need to sign?
No signature needed. 🙂 we only need that as an attachment to mark the trip in our system.
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As for Audrey’s schedule in New York. Although most of us can attend two whole days, I think it’s very important to arrange officials meeting with Audrey on the same day. Either 11th or 12th are okay, just if she could choose, the preference is the 12th.
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As for Fang’s workshop, especially about it’s topic and process, do you have a preference on what topic to use (@darshana mentioned we might have few people from policy making, facilitation & urban design background)? any expectation on the process (do we prefer simulate the entire 5 hours workshop or 2 hour intro + 3 hours open discussion)?
2018-04-17
Is this 5 hours each day or 5 hours in one day? We have a long lunch break so there will be time for informal discussion. If you feel open discussion around specific issues is useful, then some built-in time for discussion will be good.
Whatever is better for learning the art of facilitation works for us!
If you are planning in a doc, we can add comments.
Ok. As this is becoming more solid, I will pull @fang in this channel for directly discussing on workshop content if you guys are OK.
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please invite @fang 🙂
@fang drafted this document for facilitation workshop. We were just discussing yesterday, to have it more introductory than a workshop simulation/replay.
Can you clarify what you mean between introductory vs workshop simulation?
Perhaps we can chat through some things buts hoping on a call with Fang may be ideal.
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2018-04-18
please invite @fang 🙂
@fang has joined the channel
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2018-04-21
@devin has joined the channel
@au has joined the channel
2018-04-22
@sylin @fang @olivebranch.a @au Don’t know if you have already met @devin. If you haven’t — Devin has long years organizing initiatives in the free/libre/open-source space, to help communities and organizations benefit from the best practices of others. He’s a fellow plotter!
Devin is working on getting some press around the training event and your exchange with U.S. elected officials and civil servants.
Devin is working on getting some press around the training event and your exchange with U.S. elected officials and civil servants.
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Can you please us know what exact dates you can be here. Right now we have June 11 and 12 marked for training and June 12 evening for meeting with city officials. Will you be here any time before or after? We want you to visit for as long as you can! 💗
Fantastic! My ETA for now is late evening on June 9, and I can stay there for around a week. How does this sound?
My stay in NY is June 11-13 (I’ll likely visit DC on June 7-10).
In the unlikely event of official visits in DC for morning of 11th, it’s possible for me to arrive at NY on the afternoon/evening of 11th instead of the night before.
I hope that DC scheduling allows you to get here 10th night. Let us know how that works out.
Will you be available on the day of the 13th as well?
@darshana I can either fly out on 13th night or even 14th (I don’t have anything booked in Taiwan that week anyway), but as MoFA will want to now who I meet each day, it’s preferable if we can arrange some meetings of diplomatic value on the 13th so I can justify to stay 1-2 more days
ok! we can do this. We’ll send you a list as it comes together. If you have any requests please send along and we will find those people for you.
Do we have pics, bios, websites/handles for the vTaiwan experts/speakers?
Not yet. We’ll get there soon.
also, let us know if you have any objections to becoming NYC celebrities 🙂
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Fantastic! My ETA for now is late evening on June 9, and I can stay there for around a week. How does this sound?
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@sylin @fang I read through the workshop planning doc. Thanks for sharing! My comments are in the doc, so it doesn’t get mixed in with other planning in slack.
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Below is a document that has our description of the workshop (so far only sent to some potential sponsors). After reading your workshop description, it seems that you and us are describing the training in very different ways😅 Let’s find a common way to frame the workshop? Please feel free to make comments on the document.
vTaiwan and PO are operating separately and independently in Taiwan, but the description seems to mix them altogether. I think it’ll be fun to blend them 😂, but we definitely need to frame the agenda up front. Like sorting out the order and the degree of how much we need to dig in about these two practices
Ah! This makes more sense. Maybe we can do both? One on each day? What training did you get to become a facilitator for the NCII case?
Yeah sounds good, but maybe focusing more on PO given that so many public officials will attend the workshop. I learned the ORID method to become a facilitator and happened to be an editor for vTaiwan. 🙃
As I'm catching up here (still skimming), I am feeling that, from your perspectives in Taiwan, PO training might be the most appropriate content for government officials, and vTaiwan for grassroots communities.
Am I reading you correctly? 🙂
Am I reading you correctly? 🙂
also, let’s schedule a call for this week?
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vTaiwan and PO are operating separately and independently in Taiwan, but the description seems to mix them altogether. I think it’ll be fun to blend them 😂, but we definitely need to frame the agenda up front. Like sorting out the order and the degree of how much we need to dig in about these two practices
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Ah! This makes more sense. Maybe we can do both? One on each day? What training did you get to become a facilitator for the NCII case?
Yeah sounds good, but maybe focusing more on PO given that so many public officials will attend the workshop. I learned the ORID method to become a facilitator and happened to be an editor for vTaiwan. 🙃
My stay in NY is June 11-13 (I’ll likely visit DC on June 7-10).
In the unlikely event of official visits in DC for morning of 11th, it’s possible for me to arrive at NY on the afternoon/evening of 11th instead of the night before.
2018-04-23
still catching up on backscroll, but added some potential strategic attendees from Canada here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WWUG4ZKaPrLQpYUWcb_E7qe15ylw6Plxzg_hAuKqviM/edit#gid=1408158447
Also, added some categories to clarify strategy a bit.
happy to add other columns so that my additions don't clutter up flow of others using sheet to track invites :slightly_smiling_face:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WWUG4ZKaPrLQpYUWcb_E7qe15ylw6Plxzg_hAuKqviM/edit#gid=1408158447
Also, added some categories to clarify strategy a bit.
happy to add other columns so that my additions don't clutter up flow of others using sheet to track invites :slightly_smiling_face:
depending on whether we're looking at more vTaiwan vs PO training, I could probably tweak the suggestions.
For *policy/gov folks* there, my highest hopes would be that they left eager to help citizens run vtaiwan-like processes, not necessarily feeling the urge to run it themselves 🙂 Whereas for *community reps*, I might hope they leave feeling eager to initiate steps to run the processes in their own communities.
For example, if we do touch on vTaiwan, I am hoping that Bianca Wylie and other community folks might feel inspired to initiate vtaiwan processes for the Sidewalk Labs "smart city" project, and that the Canadian gov folks in attendance (city/provincial/federal) might be eager to support that 🎉
For *policy/gov folks* there, my highest hopes would be that they left eager to help citizens run vtaiwan-like processes, not necessarily feeling the urge to run it themselves 🙂 Whereas for *community reps*, I might hope they leave feeling eager to initiate steps to run the processes in their own communities.
For example, if we do touch on vTaiwan, I am hoping that Bianca Wylie and other community folks might feel inspired to initiate vtaiwan processes for the Sidewalk Labs "smart city" project, and that the Canadian gov folks in attendance (city/provincial/federal) might be eager to support that 🎉
Does this feel like a fair aspiration to place on this workshop? Or am I overloading it with my hopes? 🙂
Not at all!! I have similar hopes.
I’m not as familiar with the PO officers program, would like to know more about the program to understand how those methods can be used here too.
Yes. We are not sure what you expect, yet 🙂 This proposal @fang drafted was mainly for documenting PO network. What links PO network (or it’s collaboration workshop) to vTaiwan is that PO is an institutionalised open consultation process, initiated from within the government. Those 70 participation officers are key players, or the “community” in a vTaiwan context. You could maybe see PO network as a one of the forks of vTaiwan by the government.
Replied to a thread: 2018-04-22 08:25:16
As I'm catching up here (still skimming), I am feeling that, from your perspectives in Taiwan, PO training might be the most appropriate content for government officials, and vTaiwan for grassroots communities.
Am I reading you correctly? 🙂
Am I reading you correctly? 🙂
depending on whether we're looking at more vTaiwan vs PO training, I could probably tweak the suggestions.
For *policy/gov folks* there, my highest hopes would be that they left eager to help citizens run vtaiwan-like processes, not necessarily feeling the urge to run it themselves 🙂 Whereas for *community reps*, I might hope they leave feeling eager to initiate steps to run the processes in their own communities.
For example, if we do touch on vTaiwan, I am hoping that Bianca Wylie and other community folks might feel inspired to initiate vtaiwan processes for the Sidewalk Labs "smart city" project, and that the Canadian gov folks in attendance (city/provincial/federal) might be eager to support that 🎉
For *policy/gov folks* there, my highest hopes would be that they left eager to help citizens run vtaiwan-like processes, not necessarily feeling the urge to run it themselves 🙂 Whereas for *community reps*, I might hope they leave feeling eager to initiate steps to run the processes in their own communities.
For example, if we do touch on vTaiwan, I am hoping that Bianca Wylie and other community folks might feel inspired to initiate vtaiwan processes for the Sidewalk Labs "smart city" project, and that the Canadian gov folks in attendance (city/provincial/federal) might be eager to support that 🎉
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Does this feel like a fair aspiration to place on this workshop? Or am I overloading it with my hopes? 🙂
Re: attendee list https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WWUG4ZKaPrLQpYUWcb_E7qe15ylw6Plxzg_hAuKqviM/edit#gid=1408158447
even though I know everyone here keeping this in their heads, I added some columns for PoC balance and gender balance to the attendee list, to help uninvisibilize that aspect (i learned of this tactic while organizing some other events, but if it strikes anyone as crude or off-putting, pls do say so :slightly_smiling_face: )
even though I know everyone here keeping this in their heads, I added some columns for PoC balance and gender balance to the attendee list, to help uninvisibilize that aspect (i learned of this tactic while organizing some other events, but if it strikes anyone as crude or off-putting, pls do say so :slightly_smiling_face: )
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Do we also want to include a column that describes a person's liklihood of using the techniques for their work. For example - do we want to highlight people who facilitate community/political meetings for their jobs/work?
Also - what about a column for their status? Is there an approval process for inviting people?
> column that describes a person's liklihood of using the techniques
neat. see below
neat. see below
> column for their status
👍
stole these from another speaker booking sheet, and added (happy to remove if not right for us):
- Don't Know?!
- Invited
- On Fence
- Scheduling
- Confirmed
👍
stole these from another speaker booking sheet, and added (happy to remove if not right for us):
- Don't Know?!
- Invited
- On Fence
- Scheduling
- Confirmed
> an approval process
not that i know of. but maybe there could be a light one to gutcheck? i'm fine with or without. 2 ideas (no preference):
- *nomination comment* in slack, seeded with :+1: :thinking_face: reactions. Another:+1: with no outstanding concerns = vetted?
- new *"enthusiasm" columns for each of us* as event stakeholders with 1-5 scale. to better capture who we have the most excitement for. totally not a science, but temperature check. core organizers views should have more weight. (this could proxy for "liklihood of using the techniques"?)
not that i know of. but maybe there could be a light one to gutcheck? i'm fine with or without. 2 ideas (no preference):
- *nomination comment* in slack, seeded with :+1: :thinking_face: reactions. Another:+1: with no outstanding concerns = vetted?
- new *"enthusiasm" columns for each of us* as event stakeholders with 1-5 scale. to better capture who we have the most excitement for. totally not a science, but temperature check. core organizers views should have more weight. (this could proxy for "liklihood of using the techniques"?)
./me shruggie man...! 🙂
Not at all!! I have similar hopes.
I’m not as familiar with the PO officers program, would like to know more about the program to understand how those methods can be used here too.
I hope that DC scheduling allows you to get here 10th night. Let us know how that works out.
Will you be available on the day of the 13th as well?
hello, let’s chat. Fang will be with me in the same office in about 30 minutes. Otherwise tmr?
Hello.
yo
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Tomorrow is better for me (I’m already fading today).
Tomorrow I can do 10:30PM and after. Will that work?
@lizbarry @patcon @itsmisscs ^^
10:30 PM EST/10:30 AM taiwan time
Let me ask her @@
ok. Thanks!
Ok!
Let’s talk on Tuesday 10.30pm/Wednesday 10.30am
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Yeah, I can make it on Wed. 10:30am too! :woman-raising-hand: Count me in
nice!
see y’all tonight
I can make it on Wed. 10:30am (Taiwan time) too!
Yes. We are not sure what you expect, yet 🙂 This proposal @fang drafted was mainly for documenting PO network. What links PO network (or it’s collaboration workshop) to vTaiwan is that PO is an institutionalised open consultation process, initiated from within the government. Those 70 participation officers are key players, or the “community” in a vTaiwan context. You could maybe see PO network as a one of the forks of vTaiwan by the government.
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question: what does cyberpunk democracy mean to you?
This is how we have described it..
‘At its core, the vTaiwan facilitation process is profoundly human, yet also finds traction in the 21st century 1) through moments of assistance by an open-source algorithm that breaks people out of echo chambers rather than placing them within one 2) through harnessing the power of digital surveillance to create serious conversation, by keeping “receipts” of in-person and remote deliberation. These futuristic facilitation practices bring radical transparency to how we collectively decide to govern divisive social issues, producing high-levels of consensus while protecting minority rights and having everyone leave the table with the feeling of being treated fairly.’
‘At its core, the vTaiwan facilitation process is profoundly human, yet also finds traction in the 21st century 1) through moments of assistance by an open-source algorithm that breaks people out of echo chambers rather than placing them within one 2) through harnessing the power of digital surveillance to create serious conversation, by keeping “receipts” of in-person and remote deliberation. These futuristic facilitation practices bring radical transparency to how we collectively decide to govern divisive social issues, producing high-levels of consensus while protecting minority rights and having everyone leave the table with the feeling of being treated fairly.’
To me "cyberpunk" is something that will scare or elicit an eye roll from ~50% of people who read this.
also I’d prefer “digital accountability technologies” over “digital surveillance”
the stakeholder discussion being transcribed is not, technically, subject to surveillance — any more than parliamentary debates are
(“surveillance” in Taiwan’s context carries a utility function to uncover criminal activity, which is not what this is about)
ah. The thought here was to take the phrase ‘digital surveillance’ which people associate with using technology to make our lives transparent, and flipping that around.
I see where you are coming from. It is strongly associated with uncovering criminal activity
@devin not onboard with adding some pizzaz? Democracy could use some pizzaz. Also, @lizbarry’s article which was titled the same is well recognized and popular. I’m up for changing if we can find something that is more exciting than ‘Facilitation Training’.
If you Google Image search "cyberpunk" over 50% of the images are someone with a gun or a scantily clad woman in a time-square-style dystopia so I'd be cautious using the term for a wider audience who might already be nervous about "online decisionmaking" etc.
hahahaha. it’s all images of ghost in the shell?
“Mixed Reality” “Calm Technology” “Cyberphysical Systems” “Noncontroversial Essence” “Conservative Anarchism”
I really like Cyberphysical Systems. That’s closer to the thought process we went down—future democracy and collective intelligence enabled by the artificial (a kind of hivemind, without the control element).
mixed reality is good too. Although so closely associated with the gaming sphere.
@au what’s the ‘conservative’ part in Conservative Anarchism? 🙂
“Conservative” has two meanings. One is that I have some values I want to preserve as in conservancy, as in conserving a tradition. A tradition is the tradition that I have been living in for more than 20 years now, the anarchistic tradition of Internet, code making.
I also mean conservative in the other part which is the approach.
A conservative is rather than a progressive, wants people to see that they can work with some new innovations, gradually, rather than changing, mandating, or commanding people to change overnight. Everyone who works with me joins on a voluntary basis. They say that goes on a voluntary basis. I try to facilitate it, but I do not give commands.
That was true before I was a digital minister, and it is still true now. I am a conservative in the sense that it’s a very gradual change. Nobody is forced to change if they don’t want.
# https://sayit.pdis.nat.gov.tw/2017-01-10-french-magazine-causette-interview#s24761
I also mean conservative in the other part which is the approach.
A conservative is rather than a progressive, wants people to see that they can work with some new innovations, gradually, rather than changing, mandating, or commanding people to change overnight. Everyone who works with me joins on a voluntary basis. They say that goes on a voluntary basis. I try to facilitate it, but I do not give commands.
That was true before I was a digital minister, and it is still true now. I am a conservative in the sense that it’s a very gradual change. Nobody is forced to change if they don’t want.
# https://sayit.pdis.nat.gov.tw/2017-01-10-french-magazine-causette-interview#s24761
先承認你就是沒有人
maybe instead of Cyberpunk Democracy we're talking about Anarchist Democracy?
I get this but feel a bit wary of using words that have such a long history and much misunderstanding attached to them. They have a life of their own. Can be counterproductive to having a conversation, depending on the audience.
Cyberphysical Systems? Mixed Reality? Any takers for either of those..
Are we're talking about "Cyberpunk Democracy: A “How-To” Guide" as a title for the sponsor and promo materials? If so I think we could get away with just calling it "vTaiwan Open Consultation Training". It's possible we're talking about a different situation tho. And also - if people really like the title I'm 100% fine with it. Rough consensus etc. :slightly_smiling_face:
I’m not wedded to that title. From yours and @au’s reactions I stand convinced that we should go with something better. The training will also include the methods used in the Participatory Officers program so maybe a broader overall title will be nice. We will discuss the details of the training tomorrow night and get a better idea of what’s going to be covered. 10:30PM EST, details somewhere on this channel.
@sylin your question took us down a rabbit hole. kkkkk.
hahaha. Thank you @au for all those excellent wordings 🙂
Yup I love digging this kind of “keng” 🕳️
Creative Coding Taipei also has been pretty cyberpunk-focused these days. https://www.meetup.com/Creative-Coding-Taipei/photos/28516274/468032944/
Yeah, I can make it on Wed. 10:30am too! :woman-raising-hand: Count me in
nice!
2018-04-24
see y’all tonight
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This is how we have described it..
‘At its core, the vTaiwan facilitation process is profoundly human, yet also finds traction in the 21st century 1) through moments of assistance by an open-source algorithm that breaks people out of echo chambers rather than placing them within one 2) through harnessing the power of digital surveillance to create serious conversation, by keeping “receipts” of in-person and remote deliberation. These futuristic facilitation practices bring radical transparency to how we collectively decide to govern divisive social issues, producing high-levels of consensus while protecting minority rights and having everyone leave the table with the feeling of being treated fairly.’
‘At its core, the vTaiwan facilitation process is profoundly human, yet also finds traction in the 21st century 1) through moments of assistance by an open-source algorithm that breaks people out of echo chambers rather than placing them within one 2) through harnessing the power of digital surveillance to create serious conversation, by keeping “receipts” of in-person and remote deliberation. These futuristic facilitation practices bring radical transparency to how we collectively decide to govern divisive social issues, producing high-levels of consensus while protecting minority rights and having everyone leave the table with the feeling of being treated fairly.’
To me "cyberpunk" is something that will scare or elicit an eye roll from ~50% of people who read this.
also I’d prefer “digital accountability technologies” over “digital surveillance”
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the stakeholder discussion being transcribed is not, technically, subject to surveillance — any more than parliamentary debates are
Do we also want to include a column that describes a person's liklihood of using the techniques for their work. For example - do we want to highlight people who facilitate community/political meetings for their jobs/work?
(“surveillance” in Taiwan’s context carries a utility function to uncover criminal activity, which is not what this is about)
ah. The thought here was to take the phrase ‘digital surveillance’ which people associate with using technology to make our lives transparent, and flipping that around.
I see where you are coming from. It is strongly associated with uncovering criminal activity
@darshana I can either fly out on 13th night or even 14th (I don’t have anything booked in Taiwan that week anyway), but as MoFA will want to now who I meet each day, it’s preferable if we can arrange some meetings of diplomatic value on the 13th so I can justify to stay 1-2 more days
@devin not onboard with adding some pizzaz? Democracy could use some pizzaz. Also, @lizbarry’s article which was titled the same is well recognized and popular. I’m up for changing if we can find something that is more exciting than ‘Facilitation Training’.
If you Google Image search "cyberpunk" over 50% of the images are someone with a gun or a scantily clad woman in a time-square-style dystopia so I'd be cautious using the term for a wider audience who might already be nervous about "online decisionmaking" etc.
ok! we can do this. We’ll send you a list as it comes together. If you have any requests please send along and we will find those people for you.
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Do we have pics, bios, websites/handles for the vTaiwan experts/speakers?
hahahaha. it’s all images of ghost in the shell?
“Mixed Reality” “Calm Technology” “Cyberphysical Systems” “Noncontroversial Essence” “Conservative Anarchism”
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I really like Cyberphysical Systems. That’s closer to the thought process we went down—future democracy and collective intelligence enabled by the artificial (a kind of hivemind, without the control element).
mixed reality is good too. Although so closely associated with the gaming sphere.
@au what’s the ‘conservative’ part in Conservative Anarchism? 🙂
Also - what about a column for their status? Is there an approval process for inviting people?
Not yet. We’ll get there soon.
@lizbarry @patcon @itsmisscs @devin I’ve written a 1-pager for the Sloan Foundation grant (details in trello). Shared it with Noel for his comments too and will send it out some time this week.
“Conservative” has two meanings. One is that I have some values I want to preserve as in conservancy, as in conserving a tradition. A tradition is the tradition that I have been living in for more than 20 years now, the anarchistic tradition of Internet, code making.
I also mean conservative in the other part which is the approach.
A conservative is rather than a progressive, wants people to see that they can work with some new innovations, gradually, rather than changing, mandating, or commanding people to change overnight. Everyone who works with me joins on a voluntary basis. They say that goes on a voluntary basis. I try to facilitate it, but I do not give commands.
That was true before I was a digital minister, and it is still true now. I am a conservative in the sense that it’s a very gradual change. Nobody is forced to change if they don’t want.
# https://sayit.pdis.nat.gov.tw/2017-01-10-french-magazine-causette-interview#s24761
I also mean conservative in the other part which is the approach.
A conservative is rather than a progressive, wants people to see that they can work with some new innovations, gradually, rather than changing, mandating, or commanding people to change overnight. Everyone who works with me joins on a voluntary basis. They say that goes on a voluntary basis. I try to facilitate it, but I do not give commands.
That was true before I was a digital minister, and it is still true now. I am a conservative in the sense that it’s a very gradual change. Nobody is forced to change if they don’t want.
# https://sayit.pdis.nat.gov.tw/2017-01-10-french-magazine-causette-interview#s24761
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Transcripts for the modern internet
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先承認你就是沒有人
maybe instead of Cyberpunk Democracy we're talking about Anarchist Democracy?
I get this but feel a bit wary of using words that have such a long history and much misunderstanding attached to them. They have a life of their own. Can be counterproductive to having a conversation, depending on the audience.
Cyberphysical Systems? Mixed Reality? Any takers for either of those..
Are we're talking about "Cyberpunk Democracy: A “How-To” Guide" as a title for the sponsor and promo materials? If so I think we could get away with just calling it "vTaiwan Open Consultation Training". It's possible we're talking about a different situation tho. And also - if people really like the title I'm 100% fine with it. Rough consensus etc. :slightly_smiling_face:
I’m not wedded to that title. From yours and @au’s reactions I stand convinced that we should go with something better. The training will also include the methods used in the Participatory Officers program so maybe a broader overall title will be nice. We will discuss the details of the training tomorrow night and get a better idea of what’s going to be covered. 10:30PM EST, details somewhere on this channel.
@sylin your question took us down a rabbit hole. kkkkk.
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2018-04-25
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just got cut off
didn’t know it only has 10 min
so where should we all go? lol
kicked us out again
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sorry i am using free version
notes from meeting in workshop planning doc — https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E-wqamROVahCgzbHi4W8NwDEnKiKRkVUoMtK0jawnOc/edit
Thanks for the notes. I passed out early. Travel plus feeling a bit under the weather.
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2018-04-26
hahaha. Thank you @au for all those excellent wordings 🙂
Yup I love digging this kind of “keng” 🕳️
Creative Coding Taipei also has been pretty cyberpunk-focused these days. https://www.meetup.com/Creative-Coding-Taipei/photos/28516274/468032944/
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Creative coding is a type of computer programming in which the goal is to create something expressive instead of something functional. Creative Coding Taipei was started with a group of people love ex
2018-04-27
Hi. For anyone who will be at orbital tomorrow (in-person or virtual), I put together an agenda. Please feel free to add — https://hackmd.io/u6o7ig6VS0ue4_LZsnc2Jw
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Added to trello meeting card
See you tomorrow!
i'll be online at 1pm
> column that describes a person's liklihood of using the techniques
neat. see below
neat. see below
> column for their status
👍
stole these from another speaker booking sheet, and added (happy to remove if not right for us):
- Don't Know?!
- Invited
- On Fence
- Scheduling
- Confirmed
👍
stole these from another speaker booking sheet, and added (happy to remove if not right for us):
- Don't Know?!
- Invited
- On Fence
- Scheduling
- Confirmed
Replied to a thread: 2018-04-23 04:27:50
> an approval process
not that i know of. but maybe there could be a light one to gutcheck? i'm fine with or without. 2 ideas (no preference):
- *nomination comment* in slack, seeded with :+1: :thinking_face: reactions. Another:+1: with no outstanding concerns = vetted?
- new *"enthusiasm" columns for each of us* as event stakeholders with 1-5 scale. to better capture who we have the most excitement for. totally not a science, but temperature check. core organizers views should have more weight. (this could proxy for "liklihood of using the techniques"?)
not that i know of. but maybe there could be a light one to gutcheck? i'm fine with or without. 2 ideas (no preference):
- *nomination comment* in slack, seeded with :+1: :thinking_face: reactions. Another:+1: with no outstanding concerns = vetted?
- new *"enthusiasm" columns for each of us* as event stakeholders with 1-5 scale. to better capture who we have the most excitement for. totally not a science, but temperature check. core organizers views should have more weight. (this could proxy for "liklihood of using the techniques"?)
./me shruggie man...! 🙂
2018-04-28
@katehnicholson has joined the channel
Booked us on the 4th floor in the “long room”
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ETA 3pm
on my way..
4th floor is dope!!
Come up to the right back in the long conference room.
such GEEEEAR
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@patcon set the channel topic: This channel is BRIDGED. Hover for details...
Dashboard: https://trello.com/b/CvSNRoHZ/facilitationfest-planners
Connection: Civic Tech Toronto <=> g0v-tw link.civictech.ca/about-bridges
Dashboard: https://trello.com/b/CvSNRoHZ/facilitationfest-planners
Connection: Civic Tech Toronto <=> g0v-tw link.civictech.ca/about-bridges
@patcon set the channel topic: Hover for details...
Dashboard: https://trello.com/b/CvSNRoHZ/facilitationfest-planners
This channel is BRIDGED. Civic Tech Toronto <=> g0v-tw link.civictech.ca/about-bridges
Dashboard: https://trello.com/b/CvSNRoHZ/facilitationfest-planners
This channel is BRIDGED. Civic Tech Toronto <=> g0v-tw link.civictech.ca/about-bridges
Added to trello meeting card
Hey everyone-- just a brief check in. I can’t make it today but will catch up with the docs / convos, and get an update later from Devin and whoever else wants to chat (or meet up this wknd). Know that I’ll be happy to lend some experience to the event planning / organizing. Have a good meeting!
So great to hear Kate!!!!! Thank you, and i think there will be some weekend work this time around! ❤️
Yayy. Great, I’m down for that.
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Moving to other channel :]
🙂 me too
@itsmisscs pinned a message to this channel.
Darshana Narayanan
Hi. For anyone who will be at orbital tomorrow (in-person or virtual), I put together an agenda. Please feel free to add — https://hackmd.io/u6o7ig6VS0ue4_LZsnc2Jw
2018-04-29
hi. I’ve updated the cover letter for Sloan Grant and shared with Noel for feedback before he passes it to them. If you want to take a look — https://docs.google.com/document/d/18hWFUmEi85P32ay8mi-ctzsn-16_clrbLPPZlJAKpLM/edit?usp=sharing. Thanks @lizbarry for editing the main sponsorship doc. Was a huge help!
great, this is awesome!
2018-04-30
So these important documents are ready for your review, especially @katehnicholson as you may have fresh eyes:
* the Expression of Interest Form (please see if the media consent language is appropriate): https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1ANlWFvmAuOGU0NQd55-TashXpVM8FQAC7W0RNeLlVVw/edit (once people fill this out, and we accept it, we can send them a private Eventbrite link)
* Sponsorship doc (also awaiting @devin's additions, and also for g0v.network to exist @patcon @itsmisscs): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BbQjczNb1fBcQ-SJb3XfZzpP0e3pKF8kuWoe49mvXRY/edit
* the Expression of Interest Form (please see if the media consent language is appropriate): https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1ANlWFvmAuOGU0NQd55-TashXpVM8FQAC7W0RNeLlVVw/edit (once people fill this out, and we accept it, we can send them a private Eventbrite link)
* Sponsorship doc (also awaiting @devin's additions, and also for g0v.network to exist @patcon @itsmisscs): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BbQjczNb1fBcQ-SJb3XfZzpP0e3pKF8kuWoe49mvXRY/edit
Sure - i have a few minor edits if you want me to make them directly. Nothing big, just flow / ux of the form.
@lizbarry ^^
yes please make them directly and let us know when to check it out! ❤️
cool- just need edit access!
hi Kate! just shared - sorry i stepped out for a minute and missed this! hope you stil have a moment to do the edits 🙏📿
sure no problem. Question they’re required to give photographic consent if they participate, right?
yes
Kate thank you so much for adding these nice sections!
*Considering i just @'d everyone it's fair to say i'm online all afternoon and available for any help i can provide!* Aiming to send the working website with documents out tomorrow 7AM EDT -- pep talk!
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Sure - i have a few minor edits if you want me to make them directly. Nothing big, just flow / ux of the form.
@lizbarry ^^
yes please make them directly and let us know when to check it out! ❤️
cool- just need edit access!
hi Kate! just shared - sorry i stepped out for a minute and missed this! hope you stil have a moment to do the edits 🙏📿
sure no problem. Question they’re required to give photographic consent if they participate, right?
yes
@devin we’re having quite back and forth in the sponsorship doc. My long and short is — add/edit in any sections of the doc, just track the changes so we can all see. Then we finalize and send out tomorrow!!
I only wrote in the parts I know for certain.
Great, i see the back and forth. For the start time, i saw that Devin requested later than 9am, but i did not think we are able to accommodate that because of the actual amount of content that this training will cover . @devin, are you blocking 9am as listed in the sponsorship doc? Can we send this out to sponsors as is (9am) and then get more detailed in the coming weeks as we really get scheduling?
@devin, for the after hours stuff, please write it in as you have the vision for it -- i dont' think anyone took detailed enough notes on Friday to re-create it -- please add so we can understand
My comments in the doc are resolved. I was taking the doc as an internal source of truth - not just a doc for sponsors. So none of my issues are relevant to that doc.
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I'm looking through the Trello for a "single source of truth" doc explaining the event internally. Seems there are a few contenders. Does one exist? Maybe this one --> https://hackmd.io/AiTeW0bcQNShaI0HO4ivqg?view ?
good question -- so, the convo @darshana had on Tuesday night with the Taiwan folks revealed a confusion -- that there is a Participation Officers training that is separate from training associated with vTaiwan.
We do not yet have the entire plan
Gotcha - but for onboarding purposes it's nice to have a place to go to see whatever plan currently exists.
there's some links in Trello, left hand column.
yes I'm aware
good question -- so, the convo @darshana had on Tuesday night with the Taiwan folks revealed a confusion -- that there is a Participation Officers training that is separate from training associated with vTaiwan.
We do not yet have the entire plan
Thanks @devin!!!!
Gotcha - but for onboarding purposes it's nice to have a place to go to see whatever plan currently exists.
Thanks for editing @devin and @darshana -- is everyone happy and feeling confident they can send it out in the AM to their contacts? I am.
Can anyone offer an update on the website @patcon @itsmisscs ?
given that the website is a highly decoupled piece of this project (and most everything else is entangled), I'd suggest we create a bunch of github tickets for all the changes to the template, and recruit some eager people from ProgHackNight to have ownership of this part. thoughts?
rats. not till next week: https://www.meetup.com/Progressive-Hack-Night/events/lkrhxmyxhblb/
ok, i'll pitch in toronto. if anyone has time to help stub out issues on GH in advance, that'd be rad!
Thanks for thinking about this @patcon 🙂
just jotting down some ideas for decisions that could be thought through: what the lead photo could be, what short pieces of text that we've just written for the sponsorship doc can be re-used, where the links go.....
That feels like a lot of cooks in the kitchen, no. I agree that we get it spec’d out and then perhaps we can pull in @devin and also will help guide me to what’s left
but i’m also quite pro collaborating with prog hack night
I can make some time today to put together the text for website. Should I go by the template that @patcon setup? @lizbarry if you have document where you were jotting down ideas, share please. If not, I will get started on one and share.
can also arrange for bios from taiwan folk
i have not created any document for this -- @patcon and @itsmisscs are leading
bios from taiwan folks would be stellar
i was just going with content we have in our docs. fit it into the template patcon selected. i believe it’s the same one pdf18 is running on
I can arrange for bios.
what else is needed? Let’s get this website done in the next day or so?
Then we can send sloan our project website instead of Taiwan’s. That will be ideal.
that would be cool if possible
Since the sloan money would pass through Sarapis I could create a page on the sarapis.org site with basic info and/or I could create an Open Collective page under the Sarapis Host Organization https://opencollective.com/sarapisorg#
Noel’s feedback on using the vtaiwan url — ‘There should be a local page. If not, you need to talk about how this money can help build that page...’
what does he mean by local page?
a page on the vnetwork site?
something that speaks to our project and is not the vtaiwan website
okay. so the site we are working on would satisfy that
there's some links in Trello, left hand column.
@lizbarry I'm good with doc! Will do one last check tonight.
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@lizbarry @devin I looked over doc and finalized most of the comments there. @devin there is one change you still need to make (the international exchange bit). Otherwise good to go
In other news I just watched the grace jones documentary — she is so excellent! 😍
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given that the website is a highly decoupled piece of this project (and most everything else is entangled), I'd suggest we create a bunch of github tickets for all the changes to the template, and recruit some eager people from ProgHackNight to have ownership of this part. thoughts?
rats. not till next week: https://www.meetup.com/Progressive-Hack-Night/events/lkrhxmyxhblb/
Meetup
Tue, May 8, 2018, 6:30 PM: Progressive HackNight (<https://www.proghacknight.org/>) is an intersection of technology and activism. A physical space for progressive activists, organizers, data wranglers,
ok, i'll pitch in toronto. if anyone has time to help stub out issues on GH in advance, that'd be rad!
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Thanks for thinking about this @patcon 🙂
just jotting down some ideas for decisions that could be thought through: what the lead photo could be, what short pieces of text that we've just written for the sponsorship doc can be re-used, where the links go.....
I downloaded the PDF -- it looks gorgeous and i'm sending it around to the Sponsor options i'm responsible for contacting -- yay team!
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I just sent updates to:
Dinorah Cantu at GovLab
David Wisner at MKD Center for Public and Humanitarian Service
Beth Coleman at UT's City as Platform Lab
Eric Gordon from Emerson's Engagement Lab
Sent to Joe at AA and David the Director of American Assembly.
Noel came back with some good suggestions for the Sloan cover letter
will work on that and send around a note for extra eyes.
Kate thank you so much for adding these nice sections!
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I just sent updates to:
Dinorah Cantu at GovLab
David Wisner at MKD Center for Public and Humanitarian Service
Beth Coleman at UT's City as Platform Lab
Eric Gordon from Emerson's Engagement Lab
That feels like a lot of cooks in the kitchen, no. I agree that we get it spec’d out and then perhaps we can pull in @devin and also will help guide me to what’s left
but i’m also quite pro collaborating with prog hack night
I can make some time today to put together the text for website. Should I go by the template that @patcon setup? @lizbarry if you have document where you were jotting down ideas, share please. If not, I will get started on one and share.
can also arrange for bios from taiwan folk
i have not created any document for this -- @patcon and @itsmisscs are leading
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bios from taiwan folks would be stellar
i was just going with content we have in our docs. fit it into the template patcon selected. i believe it’s the same one pdf18 is running on
I can arrange for bios.
what else is needed? Let’s get this website done in the next day or so?
Then we can send sloan our project website instead of Taiwan’s. That will be ideal.