#rightscon-2018 | g0v.tw

ttcat 20:42:36

I can do both

ttcat 20:42:58

You mean 15th and 22 both right?

ttcat 20:43:17

Please loop @lilin

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lilin 20:48:23

@patcon ttcat will have a meet up on may 22nd evening so maybe have to arrange this a bit later

patcon 00:49:45

@ttcat was thinking just 22 from 7-7:20 for your speaking. @lilin re: 22nd. oh shoot! will DM

patcon 04:12:52

@itsmisscs @lizbarry @ttcat one more email from rightscon: https://hackmd.io/Wsi2Vxx2RjitjngCeV6vpg

Added here longterm: https://trello.com/c/iIFAIznh/53-prepare-for-rightscon

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Email: Important: Update and action required for RightsCon Toronto Public Session Organizers - HackMD

patcon 2018-05-09 04:14:07

@lizbarry @itsmisscs cc'ed you on email about getting sched profiles connected to session, if you want to chime in with your own profile urls 🙂

patcon 2018-05-09 04:18:00

we currently have *NO A/V in room*. I'm assuming that we can't do without this, and so replying to request projector and screen. Anything else? And pls confirm that this correct 🙂 cc @ttcat @lizbarry @itsmisscs

lizbarry 2018-05-09 06:42:58

Thanks @patcon! +1 to requesting a projector

itsmisscs 2018-05-09 07:59:53

Thanks Patcon. Projector yes. If we can't get one, I will bring mine! Profile urls, like our sites? If so, for me compositescollective.com

patcon 04:14:07

@lizbarry @itsmisscs cc'ed you on email about getting sched profiles connected to session, if you want to chime in with your own profile urls 🙂

patcon 04:18:00

we currently have *NO A/V in room*. I'm assuming that we can't do without this, and so replying to request projector and screen. Anything else? And pls confirm that this correct 🙂 cc @ttcat @lizbarry @itsmisscs

lizbarry 06:42:58

Thanks @patcon! +1 to requesting a projector

itsmisscs 07:59:53

Thanks Patcon. Projector yes. If we can't get one, I will bring mine! Profile urls, like our sites? If so, for me compositescollective.com

ttcat 13:45:50

Please remind me again: what you want me to present? VTaiwan or g0v? How many time I have?

patcon 2018-05-13 04:11:36

heh, my impression was that the topic of "g0v.tw" was what would be the best fit for you, but it is whatever you prefer :slightly_smiling_face:

patcon 2018-05-13 04:13:09

also, the timing is a *20 minute timeslot* before work time. you can use it all to speak, but presenters often use 10-15, and leave the rest for questions 🙂

lilin 19:30:04

@patcon @lizbarry @itsmisscs
Hello!
We are thinking of airbnb members having dinner together while we are in Toronto, and also with some other Taiwanese participants as some of them are staying in different places. Now 16th night looks best for us, what do you think about it?

itsmisscs 2018-05-10 22:05:43

Sounds great!

itsmisscs 2018-05-10 22:05:51

16th works for me

canadian_aaron 2018-05-10 22:22:37

Can I come? XD

itsmisscs 2018-05-11 00:20:47

You better come @canadian_aaron

patcon 2018-05-13 04:09:16

yeah! 16th works for me too!

patcon 2018-05-13 04:09:55

I'm open any night to having people in for dinner or activities -- let's just keep sharing information 🙂

canadian_aaron 2018-05-17 00:56:16

any update on where dinner will be tonight?

canadian_aaron 2018-05-17 00:58:16

nvm! it appears to be here: 421 Dundas St W, Toronto, ON M5T 2W4

canadian_aaron 2018-05-17 00:59:34

https://www.google.com/maps/place/%E7%BF%A0%E6%BF%A0%E5%BA%AD%E6%B5%B7%E9%B2%9C%E9%85%92%E5%AE%B6/@43.653312,-79.397634,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x882b34c444bb7c43:0x55c44852e9e3cdf5!8m2!3d43.653312!4d-79.3954453?hl=zh-Hant-TW

canadian_aaron 2018-05-17 00:59:38

Dim Sum King

itsmisscs 22:05:43

Sounds great!

itsmisscs 22:05:51

16th works for me

canadian_aaron 22:22:37

Can I come? XD

itsmisscs 00:20:47

You better come @canadian_aaron

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patcon 04:09:16

yeah! 16th works for me too!

patcon 04:09:55

I'm open any night to having people in for dinner or activities -- let's just keep sharing information 🙂

patcon 04:11:36

heh, my impression was that the topic of "g0v.tw" was what would be the best fit for you, but it is whatever you prefer :slightly_smiling_face:

patcon 04:13:09

also, the timing is a *20 minute timeslot* before work time. you can use it all to speak, but presenters often use 10-15, and leave the rest for questions 🙂

ttcat 20:23:50

Who's in Toronto? I just arrived and who will in charge to check-in and what time?

itsmisscs 2018-05-13 21:50:51

@patcon and @lizbarry

itsmisscs 21:50:51

@patcon and @lizbarry

ttcat 22:12:58

Hey everyone, I checked-in by myself already. Waiting for you guys:)

patcon 2018-05-14 01:26:45

Hey @ttcat! We realized you shouldn't wait on us today, as we've got some errands and to-dos and coworking sessions before we're good to meet up :) we'll keep you posted of any plans though

WhatsApp <tel:347-559-7622|347-559-7622>

ttcat 2018-05-14 01:29:35

Oh! So you’re not coming today at all?

ttcat 2018-05-14 02:14:42

I have no idea how we distribute the room and would you stay here or not? Total amount of people is 6 or 7?

ttcat 2018-05-14 02:15:07

It’s too small for 7 people, I might need to find another place to stay

ttcat 2018-05-14 02:16:19

And I also like to talk about the workshop for better understanding what I should prepare

ttcat 2018-05-14 03:15:15

And I think I’m about getting a cold now. ill 🤢

patcon 2018-05-14 04:13:51

oh! we are definitely coming! Just need the day to get some other things done, but will be there later tonight!

lizbarry 2018-05-14 04:13:56

Hi TTCat!

patcon 2018-05-14 04:13:59

this is the doc for planning rooms:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZS2LsHt4YMWu4WeL4gv2NRH9PsYgCZ7Sr16vl8KPg/edit#gid=0

lizbarry 2018-05-14 04:15:08

We are also excited to plan the workshop 🙂

patcon 2018-05-14 04:15:56

- 2 OCF ppl need private room each
- liz+patcon in private room together
- 2 OCF people sharing a room
- @itsmisscs sharing/willing to be on couch

ttcat 2018-05-14 04:17:42

It will be better that you come and we can discuss. Because there's only 3 rooms and one sofa. :)

lizbarry 2018-05-14 04:18:53

ah, the listing says 4 rooms....+ a sofa bed?

patcon 2018-05-14 04:20:41

hm. yes, that's confusing, as the first line of description says "Charming 4 bedroom home available for short and long-term rental in trendy Roncesvalles village"..!

patcon 2018-05-14 04:23:00

we're walking over now -- maybe 15 minutes!

ttcat 2018-05-14 04:23:46

Ok!!

ttcat 22:13:41

@patcon @lizbarry

patcon 23:10:56

perrrrfect. We will be coming around maybe 1pm! Will confirm

patcon 01:26:45

Hey @ttcat! We realized you shouldn't wait on us today, as we've got some errands and to-dos and coworking sessions before we're good to meet up :) we'll keep you posted of any plans though

WhatsApp <tel:347-559-7622|347-559-7622>

ttcat 01:29:35

Oh! So you’re not coming today at all?

ttcat 02:14:42

I have no idea how we distribute the room and would you stay here or not? Total amount of people is 6 or 7?

ttcat 02:15:07

It’s too small for 7 people, I might need to find another place to stay

ttcat 02:16:19

And I also like to talk about the workshop for better understanding what I should prepare

ttcat 03:15:15

And I think I’m about getting a cold now. ill 🤢

patcon 04:13:51

oh! we are definitely coming! Just need the day to get some other things done, but will be there later tonight!

lizbarry 04:13:56

Hi TTCat!

patcon 04:13:59

this is the doc for planning rooms:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZS2LsHt4YMWu4WeL4gv2NRH9PsYgCZ7Sr16vl8KPg/edit#gid=0

lizbarry 04:15:08

We are also excited to plan the workshop 🙂

patcon 04:15:56

- 2 OCF ppl need private room each
- liz+patcon in private room together
- 2 OCF people sharing a room
- @itsmisscs sharing/willing to be on couch

ttcat 04:17:42

It will be better that you come and we can discuss. Because there's only 3 rooms and one sofa. :)

lizbarry 04:18:53

ah, the listing says 4 rooms....+ a sofa bed?

patcon 04:20:41

hm. yes, that's confusing, as the first line of description says "Charming 4 bedroom home available for short and long-term rental in trendy Roncesvalles village"..!

patcon 04:23:00

we're walking over now -- maybe 15 minutes!

ttcat 04:23:46

Ok!!

lizbarry 01:15:50

Our lovely house is up and running! Fully stocked fridge, an entire ham, lentil soup bubbling on the stove. I've started a new tab for food costs in our same Accommodation spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZS2LsHt4YMWu4WeL4gv2NRH9PsYgCZ7Sr16vl8KPg/edit#gid=2110441809

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lizbarry 02:17:39

Here's the recording of what Darshana CS and I did at School of Data in NYC in March: we could consider modifying this for use: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8RzCZthfxY

lizbarry 02:23:19

Here's the slidedeck: https://www.icloud.com/keynote/0yoUX84PGWangjzae8dJMRfTQ#OpenData2018_

itsmisscs 02:38:55

A place to collect notes/todo/needs for the update for RightsCon https://hackmd.io/pLBliKwvSpK7nCz0pvVNTQ

hackmd.io

Consensus-building Methods - HackMD

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lizbarry 02:46:15

ok i'm opening a video link here: https://meet.jit.si/vnetwork

itsmisscs 02:53:25

New copy of the slide deck: https://www.icloud.com/keynote/0RT341Ol_ErO2HiJGxf5A4U-g#RightsCon_2018

Keynote

RightsCon 2018

Shared by CS .

lizbarry 02:53:28

great!!!

lizbarry 03:25:19

adding @patcon's name to slidedeck

lizbarry 03:25:41

updating the email address to be `nobodies@g0v.network`

itsmisscs 2018-05-15 03:31:05

currently forwards to ```ebarry@gmail.com, patrick.c.connolly@gmail.com, darshana.narayanan@gmail.com, devinbalkind@gmail.com, cs@compositescollective.com```

itsmisscs 2018-05-15 03:31:17

everyone has ability to add more names to that list

itsmisscs 03:31:05

currently forwards to ```ebarry@gmail.com, patrick.c.connolly@gmail.com, darshana.narayanan@gmail.com, devinbalkind@gmail.com, cs@compositescollective.com```

itsmisscs 03:31:17

everyone has ability to add more names to that list

lizbarry 03:32:44

@darshana am i imagining that we had a run sheet for NYC School of Data back in March when we estimated times during the hour?

dzn 03:33:35

https://hackmd.io/LhKpmKhyR_-JxQkUnNepRg

hackmd.io

School of Data submission - HackMD

lizbarry 03:53:33

OMG YES! Thank you @darshana!!!!

lizbarry 03:54:55

@patcon @itsmisscs scroll down in the hackpad link @darshana just provided to see our time estimates for the hour we had for running this at SoD *(line 51!)*. Note: we did not update this post-event with real times, but from what i remember we tracked pretty close to this. @darshana do you remember how closely we tracked to our estimated times?

lizbarry 03:59:29

*FYI starting a thread to consider Hackpad* as our "core workshop notetaking and wayfinding to other tools" tool

lizbarry 2018-05-15 04:00:56

apparently the core maintainers have stopped maintaining

lizbarry 2018-05-15 04:01:32

which in the g0v world, as we're just learning from @ttcat, is a sign to leave a particular platform

lizbarry 2018-05-15 04:01:45

so hackpad.tw might not exist in the medium to long term

patcon 2018-05-15 04:15:40

they're all moving to hackmd, it seems

patcon 2018-05-15 04:16:22

also, they confirmed what i think others may have realized (but i wasn't sure of!): the email notifcation functions of hackpad (which were a main draw) don't work on hackpad.tw

lizbarry 04:00:56

apparently the core maintainers have stopped maintaining

patcon 04:01:19

forgot to suggest in call, but since this is a recurring format, maybe we could start thinking on how to do evaluations to help improve as we go!

itsmisscs 2018-05-15 04:01:54

Polis?

patcon 2018-05-15 04:01:59

typeform has a really user-friendly interface, but open to other suggestions?

itsmisscs 2018-05-15 04:02:07

I like this idea a lot overall 🙂

lizbarry 2018-05-15 04:02:21

me too! yay eval!

lizbarry 2018-05-15 04:02:42

i have a standard 5 set of questions form the "Listen For Good" team

patcon 2018-05-15 04:02:53

yeah, maybe we could figure out good questions and then best tool to get that? (i'm down for polis, but havne't done much eval to know what's best!)

lizbarry 2018-05-15 04:03:01

reference: https://www.fundforsharedinsight.org/listen-for-good/

lizbarry 2018-05-15 04:03:51

the questions strike everyone as a bit odd, but i've found they are foundational

lizbarry 2018-05-15 04:04:33

the "recommender" part is derived from a lot of deep and well-funded "what does it take to create a returning customer" work from the business sector

lizbarry 2018-05-15 04:05:59

>L4G is focused on applying a semi-standard survey instrument, which includes using the Net Promoter System (NPS®) employed widely in customer feedback circles, to the nonprofit beneficiary context

lizbarry 2018-05-15 04:07:25

with the addition of a couple of demographic questions, a lot of analysis can be done on a very small # of questions asked. Example: https://publiclab.org/notes/liz/04-24-2018/evaluation-listen4good-round-two-results

lizbarry 2018-05-15 04:10:26

just realized about platform, that i used Survey Monkey which has a built in "NPS score generator", which another platform might not have

lizbarry 2018-05-15 04:15:44

The backend of Survey Monkey allows you to filter responses based on a set of responses to other questions. For instance, how verious self-identified demographic clusters answered the "do members of the community treat you with respect" question.

patcon 2018-05-15 04:19:18

i like surveymonkey or typeform, but i'm also trying to think hard on how to use pol.is well...!

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lizbarry 04:01:32

which in the g0v world, as we're just learning from @ttcat, is a sign to leave a particular platform

lizbarry 04:01:45

so hackpad.tw might not exist in the medium to long term

itsmisscs 04:01:54

Polis?

patcon 04:01:59

typeform has a really user-friendly interface, but open to other suggestions?

itsmisscs 04:02:07

I like this idea a lot overall 🙂

lizbarry 04:02:21

me too! yay eval!

lizbarry 04:02:42

i have a standard 5 set of questions form the "Listen For Good" team

patcon 04:02:53

yeah, maybe we could figure out good questions and then best tool to get that? (i'm down for polis, but havne't done much eval to know what's best!)

lizbarry 04:03:01

reference: https://www.fundforsharedinsight.org/listen-for-good/

lizbarry 04:03:51

the questions strike everyone as a bit odd, but i've found they are foundational

lizbarry 04:04:33

the "recommender" part is derived from a lot of deep and well-funded "what does it take to create a returning customer" work from the business sector

lizbarry 04:05:59

>L4G is focused on applying a semi-standard survey instrument, which includes using the Net Promoter System (NPS®) employed widely in customer feedback circles, to the nonprofit beneficiary context

lizbarry 04:07:25

with the addition of a couple of demographic questions, a lot of analysis can be done on a very small # of questions asked. Example: https://publiclab.org/notes/liz/04-24-2018/evaluation-listen4good-round-two-results

lizbarry 04:10:26

just realized about platform, that i used Survey Monkey which has a built in "NPS score generator", which another platform might not have

patcon 04:15:40

they're all moving to hackmd, it seems

lizbarry 04:15:44

The backend of Survey Monkey allows you to filter responses based on a set of responses to other questions. For instance, how verious self-identified demographic clusters answered the "do members of the community treat you with respect" question.

patcon 04:16:22

also, they confirmed what i think others may have realized (but i wasn't sure of!): the email notifcation functions of hackpad (which were a main draw) don't work on hackpad.tw

patcon 04:19:18

i like surveymonkey or typeform, but i'm also trying to think hard on how to use pol.is well...!

lizbarry 05:28:00

I'll be taking another pass through our intro workshop tonight at Civic Tech Toronto Hacknight, anyone going to be online?

@null 06:31:44

So excited for this. Looking forward to meeting everyone

@null 20:55:12

Google is handing out USB/NFC/Bluetooth security keys in the Community Village.

lizbarry 21:58:01

hi folks! at 10:30 i'm going to "Effective 21st C organizing" - anyone else going?

lizbarry 21:58:22

also, THREAD: can everyone share when the sessions they are giving are?

lizbarry 2018-05-16 21:58:58

"mock vTaiwan" TTCat, CS, Patcon and i -- Friday at 2:30PM - 3:45PM

lizbarry 21:58:58

"mock vTaiwan" TTCat, CS, Patcon and i -- Friday at 2:30PM - 3:45PM

ttcat 21:59:23

my sched https://rightscon2018.sched.com/wuminhsuan

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Wu, Min Hsuan (ttcat)'s schedule for RightsCon Toronto 2018

Check out what Wu, Min Hsuan (ttcat) will be attending at RightsCon Toronto 2018

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ttcat 22:25:19

hi all

ttcat 22:25:23

it’s our share note

ttcat 22:25:24

https://beta.hackfoldr.org/RightsCon2018Taiwan

ttcat 22:25:31

welcome to join

ttcat 22:30:34

@itsmisscs @lizbarry @patcon

itsmisscs 22:30:43