#london-proj-immigration-vis
2023-03-01
claudiahleung
03:36:40
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2023-03-15
claudiahleung
04:45:20
found this viz today — apparently 50% (!!) of people (consistent across age, ideology, gender, position on brexit) get their news from national TV!!! the site doesn’t specify which of these sources people rely on most, but i think its pretty crazy + we’d be missing out by not conducting research into the coverage of the migrant crisis on national TV.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/how-brits-get-their-news
any thoughts on how we can analyse national TV coverage? would twitter/social media coverage of content suffice as a proxy for what’s aired?
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/how-brits-get-their-news
any thoughts on how we can analyse national TV coverage? would twitter/social media coverage of content suffice as a proxy for what’s aired?
patcon
17:57:54
I posted the spreadsheet link in the notes, but to repost here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IzWItoDDHlieFD_EdUj0urDHpwTye6_h4jIqxosaMCk/edit
patcon
18:06:29
this project has a few prongs, but one prong that came up was to create a polis convo populated with seed statements gathered from a diverse source of real sentiments (in news articles and related social media discussing articles). We can probably run this a few times, since the audience online isn't easily exhaustible. It could eventually build on @claudiahleung's work to scrape and catalogue all related articles over time, though I suspect a polis conversation can be run early (with minimal depth of current news sources) without being blocked by the building of that scraper. Yay for decoupled and complementary parts 🎉
patcon
18:09:28
There are a couple *todos* mentioned in the notes -- a rough system to coordinate some work was scaffolded out via the spreadsheet column headers. We discussed doing some *collective work next week*, but if anyone is eager before then, it's totally possible to start doing some preliminary gathering in the spreadsheets :)
patcon
18:14:51
tl;dr we're gathering examples of "pull quotes" from articles of various political leanings, and also from social media sources discussing those articles. The idea is to, when the next polarizing news event on immigration hits the feeds, we've have a pre-populated polis conversation (seeded with biased statements from news that straddle real memes floating around in the minds of UK residents).
The link to our "polis conversation" (as is the generic name for this interactive survey) can be peppered in the comments and social media threads for various articles where active discussion is happening. And the hope is that the *polis conversation can be a third space, outside the divisive news sources, to "burst the filter bubbles" (as attendee Luca wonderfully put it)!*
The link to our "polis conversation" (as is the generic name for this interactive survey) can be peppered in the comments and social media threads for various articles where active discussion is happening. And the hope is that the *polis conversation can be a third space, outside the divisive news sources, to "burst the filter bubbles" (as attendee Luca wonderfully put it)!*
ael
18:28:07
Have you guys had a GitHub or GitLab repo ? Just curious where to find the codes
2023-03-18
patcon
01:03:50
this is maybe a @claudiahleung question! the part I'm involved with doesn't have code
2023-03-21
patcon
23:44:08
I'm having a minor health issue I need to check out, so heading to the emergency room, but I'll mostly be waiting around, so I'll try to troop away on that spreadsheet and be in chat :) hit me up
2023-03-22
jane.cy.ling
02:42:41
no worries! take care of yourself - hope you feel better soon
patcon
04:17:31
Out of emergency and omw to cured via the magic of injectable medicine! Gonna stop by hacknight in my pajamas 🎉
2023-03-23
patcon
21:28:26
I've been thinking about how to incentivize people doing the labour of creating and submitting new and nuanced "majority opinion" statements. I wonder if we could give away *free newspaper subscriptions* to those who do that work 🤔
patcon
21:31:36
Open questions:
1. Who pays for them? Do we float the cost, or could we convince papers to donate a quote of promo codes?
2. Do we give away subscriptions to the news sources ppl arrive via? To the sites they don't arrive via? To multiple?
3. How do we award these? Does it go to everyone who finds a statement over a certain threshold of support? To one person who submits the most over a threshold? To a lottery winner amongst those who submit a statement over the threshold?
1. Who pays for them? Do we float the cost, or could we convince papers to donate a quote of promo codes?
2. Do we give away subscriptions to the news sources ppl arrive via? To the sites they don't arrive via? To multiple?
3. How do we award these? Does it go to everyone who finds a statement over a certain threshold of support? To one person who submits the most over a threshold? To a lottery winner amongst those who submit a statement over the threshold?
2023-03-25
claudiahleung
00:03:34
I guess I have several follow up questions:
• What does a “majority opinion” statement sound like? (Does majority in ‘majority opinion’ refer to polis majority or British public majority?)
• Can we collect data on this first (e.g. feed a random sample of headlines(?) into polis and see what headlines/topics give the greatest level of community agreement) and generate statements from there? What guidelines would you give to statement writers?
• Are you giving newspaper subscriptions as a reward for identifying consensus and/or as a means to access headlines / topic material to identify consensus?
As for the only open q I’m contributing to:
1. What would the budget be for the rewards? Could a chance to win a coupon from an indie bookstore (e.g. Brick Lane Bookstore?) also work? Or say a 1 month membership w/ Space4?
• What does a “majority opinion” statement sound like? (Does majority in ‘majority opinion’ refer to polis majority or British public majority?)
• Can we collect data on this first (e.g. feed a random sample of headlines(?) into polis and see what headlines/topics give the greatest level of community agreement) and generate statements from there? What guidelines would you give to statement writers?
• Are you giving newspaper subscriptions as a reward for identifying consensus and/or as a means to access headlines / topic material to identify consensus?
As for the only open q I’m contributing to:
1. What would the budget be for the rewards? Could a chance to win a coupon from an indie bookstore (e.g. Brick Lane Bookstore?) also work? Or say a 1 month membership w/ Space4?