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Month: 2020-03
2020-03-20
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@ set the channel purpose: Neo-Economy and Neo-Democracy
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I think it would be better to take the communicatio here
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cool
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so we can later share it with others as well
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in my opinion we shall focus on a solid item and not generalize too much
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https://arxiv.org/pdf/1809.06421.pdf this paper from the head of research at microsoft and the creator of ethereum crypto-currency proposes decentralized ecosystem of public goods.
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http://governance40.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Eric-Posner-E.-Weyl-Radical-Markets_-Uprooting-Capitalism-and-Democracy-for-a-Just-Society-Princeton-University-Press-2018.pdf this book talks more widely about the next economy and democracy in order to decentralize organizations
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I was reading about radical markets, it is interesting concept and I wished I knew about it earlier. Anyway its never late.
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are there any implementation or initiatives ?
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*Team code is eZp1B2cvo*
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I think we can do a light implementation
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if we bind vote buying to a new value mapping (to be discovered) then we can have a case to test. authority, awareness creation would be our main challenges
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radical market is quite new, but it starts to spread worldwide. the 2020 conference planned radicalXchange was planned for june but will happen online https://www.radicalxchange.org/2020-conference/
RadicalxChange
2020 Conference – RadicalxChange
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some implementation experiences have been deployed, they talk about that in the book or in the liberal radicalism paper, I don't remember. I wrote an article on the future of democracy in august, https://medium.com/@julien.carbonnell/civil-society-futures-of-citizenship-and-democracy-through-digital-era-24e28c27276?source=friends_link&sk=d660e330a6532703a11f20ce5cef6a2b , syntetizing it, but I'm actually read a lot of stuff for my thesis .
Medium
CIVIL SOCIETY: Futures of Citizenship and Democracy through Digital Perspective
In pursuing my research of a frame to ease all stakeholders participation in decision-making on the future of their cities, I present in…
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as far as I know, https://www.startupsocieties.org/ are the most active foundation working on these subjects, I can invite one of the co-founders to join us this weekend
startupsocieties.org
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Don't argue. Build.
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one of them worked on the concept of a new hanseatic league as well https://www.facebook.com/groups/600894810085005/ it's inspired by a free business agreement of merchants at the end of the middle age in northern european sea which set the basis of the capitalist economy out of a state regulation
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team code is *eZp1B2cvo*
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the event is officially on
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The submissions will be evaluated based on the following criteria: *innovativeness*, *feasibility*, *viability* and *possible impact* on the society. Remember that in this hackathon, we are looking for stuff that *can actually be useful*, either in saving lives, saving communities or saving businesses. Focus on *solving the problem*, the business model is not too important at this point.
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Welcome @ and @ 🙂
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Hey folks! I find this topic amazingly interesting. I myself am worried about our humankind for the long-term.
*Background*: startups, VCs, impact investing. "entrepreneurial mindset"
*What I am doing now*: investing to early-stage startups shaping tomorrow at Wave Ventures, heading Kairos Society (global community for young entrepeneurs) in Finland, studying chemical engineering and energy systems, learning about climate change. https://www.linkedin.com/in/pauliinameskanen/ www.twitter.com/MeskanenP
I have couple of excellent friends that are researching this topic. Will connect them. I am also having a flu, so am happy to contribute with the limits of my well-being:blush:
*Background*: startups, VCs, impact investing. "entrepreneurial mindset"
*What I am doing now*: investing to early-stage startups shaping tomorrow at Wave Ventures, heading Kairos Society (global community for young entrepeneurs) in Finland, studying chemical engineering and energy systems, learning about climate change. https://www.linkedin.com/in/pauliinameskanen/ www.twitter.com/MeskanenP
I have couple of excellent friends that are researching this topic. Will connect them. I am also having a flu, so am happy to contribute with the limits of my well-being:blush:
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Super! and thanks for offering introductions et contribution. Julien and I have met couple of hours ago within this platform.
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We shall prepare for the submission by midnight tonight. It can be changed but it needs a two minute video.
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The vision I guess is clear, out of experience,, just a vision is not enough and we need to have a solid plan and execute something withing the next 40 something horus
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Welcome @
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Hello @ and @ nice to meet you
I proposed @ to join us, he seemed interested by our idea
I proposed @ to join us, he seemed interested by our idea
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What do you think about building a prototype?
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Define prototype format
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Problem of your concept of is that is "general", people at this point would want to see in which practical field it can be applied
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this internet chat is also very limited media to iterate ideas
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words are limited, but pictures and videos tell more
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thanks for the presentation @ we can maybe start with this
*Background:* Real estate development in private company, Urban and social innovation through startups and civil society associations
*What I am doing now:* writing a PhD thesis in urban science on the topic "Multiple stakeholder engagement in Smart-City"
*Skills:* project owner, business developement, sales, social network automation, some marketing. I especially have a large network on civic technology worldwide: taiwan, USA, europe and France ++
you can add me on linkedin as well https://www.linkedin.com/in/juliencarbonnell/
*Background:* Real estate development in private company, Urban and social innovation through startups and civil society associations
*What I am doing now:* writing a PhD thesis in urban science on the topic "Multiple stakeholder engagement in Smart-City"
*Skills:* project owner, business developement, sales, social network automation, some marketing. I especially have a large network on civic technology worldwide: taiwan, USA, europe and France ++
you can add me on linkedin as well https://www.linkedin.com/in/juliencarbonnell/
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you are right @
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yesterday the discussion on the other channel was on actual action items that can be done
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then the discussion evolved into root of the problem
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Yes
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pain killers are good for a period of time. theories exist but practicalities dont. I think as part of this hackaton it would be good to test how this can be done and learn from the process
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But ideology of present is very hard to change, so we need to :
1. recognize local ranged production capacity, food, medical devices, manufacturing devices
2. shortening supply chains from global range to more local range (this issue is related to climate)
3. spotting and admitting somethings are more essential then others, we cannot be "peacocks" anymore
1. recognize local ranged production capacity, food, medical devices, manufacturing devices
2. shortening supply chains from global range to more local range (this issue is related to climate)
3. spotting and admitting somethings are more essential then others, we cannot be "peacocks" anymore
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as for first implementation of a useful tool for both economy and decision-making inside and inter- communities, out of state regulations, I proposed to start working on a voting app.
we can maybe extent it to a platform which help groups of people decide by consensus the value of a good and a service, then to list the tasks needed to obtain it, and so decide by consensus how to spread the value between them in regard of what everyone have achieved
we can maybe extent it to a platform which help groups of people decide by consensus the value of a good and a service, then to list the tasks needed to obtain it, and so decide by consensus how to spread the value between them in regard of what everyone have achieved
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@ so what would be your idea to develop this weekend ?
and what are your concrete skills ?
and what are your concrete skills ?
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this video gives a concrete tour of the open source bettermeans platform
it can give some UX design ideas and inspire a prototype app
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wJAf229YUs
it can give some UX design ideas and inspire a prototype app
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wJAf229YUs
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You need to simplify your voting system. Too much of detailing makes people lose interest, because of short "attention span"
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just saying these because, last autumn hackathon I faced same issues
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@ ok you give good advices and seems to have experience
but I still do not know what you want to do this weekend.
Do you want to join our team ?
What do you propose to do concretely ?
to advice teams you should better register on the mentorship channel
but I still do not know what you want to do this weekend.
Do you want to join our team ?
What do you propose to do concretely ?
to advice teams you should better register on the mentorship channel
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Im trying to clear my thoughts now with writing and sketching
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narrow down to essentials
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too much data
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I inform you later
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@ well can you share any good up-to-date open source solution for ivoting ?
Right now I don't know any open-source voting systems.
Right now I don't know any open-source voting systems.
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ok
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Ok I just joined to see what is happening here, can someone explain is short what your idea is it like implementation of liquid democracy?
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But one of the proposed solution with end-to-end verifiable scheme can be found here https://arxiv.org/pdf/1412.7358.pdf
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At the same time one open-source voting system will be published in the summer, after I finish my bachelor thesis 😄
2020-03-21
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*Roosa* [18 h 01]
What is written there sounds really cool! I could contribute with the visual design, graphics, thoughts on sustainability and systems thinking. Also good to think about the possible adaptability and scalability for future reference🤔 I did some studies on post disaster social cohesion last year.
What would be the deliverables of the weekend? Do you still have space in the team?
What is written there sounds really cool! I could contribute with the visual design, graphics, thoughts on sustainability and systems thinking. Also good to think about the possible adaptability and scalability for future reference🤔 I did some studies on post disaster social cohesion last year.
What would be the deliverables of the weekend? Do you still have space in the team?
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@ the deliverables of the weekend would be a brand name and graphic chart, a slide deck and pitch story, and some prototype app or web platform
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Hey everyone, nice to meet you! If okay, it would be great to join this hack😊🙌🏻 I have a design background and work experience in that field, now finishing my MA in sustainability. First timer in an hackathon event like this though! ( but did slush and other short time effort events some time back)
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Whats the plan for the next hours? Till first DL?
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@ sure you are welcome, the other team mate @ moved for some minutes, he will come back later
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till first dead line we should improve the slide deck to make it more visible
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we should define a name and a baseline too
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I proposed Democracy Studio "The next political regime for decentralized communities"
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but it is a solution only, we can surely make it better or switch on another idea
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@ would you like to make a call in hangout or whatsapp ?
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@ hello Lina,
welcome
how did you heard about our channel ?
do you know what project we are working on ?
what's your skills / experience for this weekend ?
welcome
how did you heard about our channel ?
do you know what project we are working on ?
what's your skills / experience for this weekend ?
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ok yes we are a team of 3 confirmed with complementary skills in :
• IT architect
• business dev & marketing automation
• graphic designer
• IT architect
• business dev & marketing automation
• graphic designer
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maybe now it would be the right time to open a call channel @ @ and the others can join us to talk
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does this precise objective "*Develop a solution which helps remote people to take communal decisions on goods and services to share during the crisis and afterward*" makes sense for you ?
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@ welcome on our channel
what attracted you here ?
Would you like to join our team ?
What are your skills / experience to bring ?
what attracted you here ?
Would you like to join our team ?
What are your skills / experience to bring ?
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Hi, I'm a network and IT security specialist , in addition I'v worked with Banking and Financial infrastructure systems and would like to know more about your idea
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@ ok thanks for your interest
One of our team member is experienced IT architect, with experience in the banking system, so I sadly think that it will create a double skill in our team
for the moment we are looking for one full tack dev and a movie maker
One of our team member is experienced IT architect, with experience in the banking system, so I sadly think that it will create a double skill in our team
for the moment we are looking for one full tack dev and a movie maker
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I am working on a 'community' themed project related to psych-social support you can follow the conversation a #save_communities
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Hi! There could be some common interests with #futuresocietynow ... you can also check out the video https://vimeo.com/399196206
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@ thanks for sharing
are they part of this hackathon ?
are they part of this hackathon ?
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yes here in this channel #futuresocietynow
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we want to validate this idea and get as many good partners as possible
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@ welcome
how are you doing ?
what kind of mentorship would you like to provide us ?
how are you doing ?
what kind of mentorship would you like to provide us ?
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Thank you! I am here to help in anyway I can. Been working within the finance industry for a loooooong time and founded the Fintech Enfuce a couple of years ago. So anything regarding regualtion, data, payments, consent etc. Just joind in so getting upto speed with everything! Great to be here. So probably here, strong authentication of remote persons, data sharing, GDPR etc
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Welcome. I know about the My Carbon Action project of Enfuce 👍
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ok cool
are you familiar with the Quadratic Voting system ?
here is an article who explains the concept
https://www.forbes.com/sites/shermanlee/2018/05/30/quadratic-voting-a-new-way-to-govern-blockchains-for-enterprises/#7926c9d96ef8
are you familiar with the Quadratic Voting system ?
here is an article who explains the concept
https://www.forbes.com/sites/shermanlee/2018/05/30/quadratic-voting-a-new-way-to-govern-blockchains-for-enterprises/#7926c9d96ef8
Forbes
Quadratic Voting: A New Way to Govern Blockchains for Enterprises
There is much to be understood in tradeoffs between the trustful distributed systems that underlie much of the systems today, and the trustless decentralized networks many blockchain entrepreneurs believe will be the bedrock for future applications.
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no, was not familiar but read the article now. The key is the KYC process, meaning to onboard to the “system” and get strongly authenticated
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yes the authentification is a bid need but there are solutions based on full name + photography + identity card validation to register on the system
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Additionally it is important to decide how the so called "credits" are distributed among users/voters. Because this will determine the technologies required for this idea.
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This channel’s now shared between *Hack the Crisis Finland* and *g0v*. It works just like any other channel, except better — because here, there are two teams working together.
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Hi happy to tyr to help a bit tomorreo!
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More on QV here: https://vitalik.ca/general/2019/12/07/quadratic.html
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Special thanks to Karl Floersch and Jinglan Wang for feedback
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ah awesome
how is that possible that you have the g0v logo on your profile ?
how is that possible that you have the g0v logo on your profile ?
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um, not exactly sure
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I don't use slack that much
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but I use it to interact with g0v people
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ok maybe you were on their slack too and the app reminds me that we are both on the both slacks
ok whatever
good to hear you 🙂
ok whatever
good to hear you 🙂
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Proceeding...?
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hi all I am here to help when you need me
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@glen hello glen, sure
give us some min to make a point and we come back to you asap
give us some min to make a point and we come back to you asap
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